How long do you think it is before Trump is behind bars?
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Original post by Trinculo
These aren't arguments of Trump's "innocence". They're practical reasons why (if he has done anything seriously wrong) he wouldn't face prosecution.
No matter which way you look at it, Mueller is so flawed as to be useless. That's why Republicans are so relaxed about it. Everything about Mueller is wrong. There's nothing stopping Trump just firing him - but he doesn't because he has nothing to fear politically.
Hillary is Trump's shield. If Trump goes down, Hillary and Bill both go down.
No matter which way you look at it, Mueller is so flawed as to be useless. That's why Republicans are so relaxed about it. Everything about Mueller is wrong. There's nothing stopping Trump just firing him - but he doesn't because he has nothing to fear politically.
Hillary is Trump's shield. If Trump goes down, Hillary and Bill both go down.
Trump tried to fire Mueller back in June. He backed off because his WH counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the order. In other words he was stopped from firing him by political pressure from his own counsel, who he appointed. You clearly have absolutely no idea what's going on here. If you seriously believe Trump has nothing to fear from firing the head of an investigation that just churned out 14 indictments for election interference then to be honest I just feel sorry for you.
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Original post by Trinculo
No evidence?
Hmmm... like the whole basis of everything that led up to this being based on stuff that came right out of Hillary's attack dogs? That Mueller's team is completely compromised with anti-Trump people who are on the record as wanting to bring down the Trump presidency?
The whole basis of the FBI being politicised beyond belief - saying they wouldn't indict Hillary before even knowing what she might have done?
Any of these things on their own is a serious problem for the credibility of anything coming out of the DoJ, FBI or Mueller - but together, it's impossible.
Hmmm... like the whole basis of everything that led up to this being based on stuff that came right out of Hillary's attack dogs? That Mueller's team is completely compromised with anti-Trump people who are on the record as wanting to bring down the Trump presidency?
The whole basis of the FBI being politicised beyond belief - saying they wouldn't indict Hillary before even knowing what she might have done?
Any of these things on their own is a serious problem for the credibility of anything coming out of the DoJ, FBI or Mueller - but together, it's impossible.
Again, you are completely misinformed. The inquiry began because Australian authorities told the FBI that George Papadopoulos had blabbed to an Australian diplomat about Russia having dirt on Hillary. By the way, that's the same George Papadopoulos who plead guilty to lying to the FBI about his dealings with a Russia-linked professor in London and tried to set up a meeting between Trump and Russian officials.
I would not be at all surprised if the New York attorney general Eric Schneiderman charged Trump, Jarred, Donald Jr et al with some kind of fraud/money laundering/white-collar crime the moment Trump leaves office.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
Original post by Dima-Blackburn
The pursuit of justice can never be a waste of taxpayer money. I personally didn't think an orange buffoon would become the president of US, but I was wrong. We will have to wait and see, for Mueller likes to dot his i's and cross his t's.
That is what they have made you to believe. You are so invested in your position againt Trump that you probably fail to see this as a typical due process to keep everyone quiet.
Original post by Snufkin
I would not be at all surprised if the New York attorney general Eric Schneiderman charged Trump, Jarred, Donald Jr et al with some kind of fraud/money laundering/white-collar crime the moment Trump leaves office.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
What grounds are there to impeach Trump? What has Trump done exactly that allows for impeachment proceedings against him?
Original post by Snufkin
I would not be at all surprised if the New York attorney general Eric Schneiderman charged Trump, Jarred, Donald Jr et al with some kind of fraud/money laundering/white-collar crime the moment Trump leaves office.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
I’ve told you this a few times, there needs to be concrete evidence to impeach someone. As of the moment, everything to do with Trump/Russia appears to be unsubstantiated, mere coincidences or leaps in logic taken by mainstream media. It is not enough to impeach him or charge him for any crime, the same goes for any allegations - since unless allegations come evidence, they are nothing more than allegations.
Original post by Wired_1800
What grounds are there to impeach Trump? What has Trump done exactly that allows for impeachment proceedings against him?
One could argue that he has violated the emoluments clause, it is certainly grounds for starting the impeachment process - whether it was successful or not is another matter because impeachment is essentially a political process, not a legal one. If Congress were controlled by the Democrats, I'm sure impeachment proceedings would have already begun.
There is evidence that Russia interfered in the US election (whether there was collusion with the Trump campaign is still unclear), but Trump's denial that Russia did interfere and refusal to do anything about it may on its own be grounds for impeachment. Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution defines Treason against the United States as "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." - you could argue that is what Trump is doing.
Original post by Wired_1800
That is what they have made you to believe. You are so invested in your position againt Trump that you probably fail to see this as a typical due process to keep everyone quiet.
'Typical'
I wouldn't say it's a sure thing Trump will get elected again in 2020. He might not run, depending on his health.
If he does run again, and I'm sorry to say it, but he likely will win because as others have said, the Democrats do not seem to have learned from 2016 and have not formed a strong strategy to push back against Trump. Additionally, the likelihood of a 3rd party candidate entering the race is a decent possibility as the US public support for both Republicans and Democrats continues to dwindle. This could split the Anti-Trump vote and make Trump's re-election more likely in 2020.
If he does run again, and I'm sorry to say it, but he likely will win because as others have said, the Democrats do not seem to have learned from 2016 and have not formed a strong strategy to push back against Trump. Additionally, the likelihood of a 3rd party candidate entering the race is a decent possibility as the US public support for both Republicans and Democrats continues to dwindle. This could split the Anti-Trump vote and make Trump's re-election more likely in 2020.
Original post by Captain Haddock
'Typical'
Original post by Snufkin
One could argue that he has violated the emoluments clause, it is certainly grounds for starting the impeachment process - whether it was successful or not is another matter because impeachment is essentially a political process, not a legal one. If Congress were controlled by the Democrats, I'm sure impeachment proceedings would have already begun.
There is evidence that Russia interfered in the US election (whether there was collusion with the Trump campaign is still unclear), but Trump's denial that Russia did interfere and refusal to do anything about it may on its own be grounds for impeachment. Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution defines Treason against the United States as "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." - you could argue that is what Trump is doing.
There is evidence that Russia interfered in the US election (whether there was collusion with the Trump campaign is still unclear), but Trump's denial that Russia did interfere and refusal to do anything about it may on its own be grounds for impeachment. Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution defines Treason against the United States as "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." - you could argue that is what Trump is doing.
What? When has Donald Trump directly benefitted and broken the emoluments clause? They wanted him to diversify from his business interests, which he did. Then they wanted him to sell everything, which is an idiotic approach. Who sells an empire than has been there before them and will be there after them? Did the Bushes sell their interests in Haliburton or JP Morgan?
Now, people are saying that any benefit to his family is a benefit to him, which is not only stupid but reckless talk. Maybe they want him to disown his family to be truly “independent”.
Two, whether Trump denies or accepts Russian interferance is not treason or grounds for impeachment. You cannot force him to act one way, then accuse him of treason if he refuses to bulge to the liberals.
Finally, there is no evidence that directly links Donald Trump to Russian involvement in the 2016 elections. The lying media claimed there was overwhelming evidence that it was true and they wanted an independent counsel to do so. One year down the line, we still just hearing reports of coincidences and business interests rather than significant political cooperation.
Original post by Wired_1800
What? When has Donald Trump directly benefitted and broken the emoluments clause? They wanted him to diversify from his business interests, which he did. Then they wanted him to sell everything, which is an idiotic approach. Who sells an empire than has been there before them and will be there after them? Did the Bushes sell their interests in Haliburton or JP Morgan?
Now, people are saying that any benefit to his family is a benefit to him, which is not only stupid but reckless talk. Maybe they want him to disown his family to be truly “independent”.
Two, whether Trump denies or accepts Russian interferance is not treason or grounds for impeachment. You cannot force him to act one way, then accuse him of treason if he refuses to bulge to the liberals.
Finally, there is no evidence that directly links Donald Trump to Russian involvement in the 2016 elections. The lying media claimed there was overwhelming evidence that it was true and they wanted an independent counsel to do so. One year down the line, we still just hearing reports of coincidences and business interests rather than significant political cooperation.
Now, people are saying that any benefit to his family is a benefit to him, which is not only stupid but reckless talk. Maybe they want him to disown his family to be truly “independent”.
Two, whether Trump denies or accepts Russian interferance is not treason or grounds for impeachment. You cannot force him to act one way, then accuse him of treason if he refuses to bulge to the liberals.
Finally, there is no evidence that directly links Donald Trump to Russian involvement in the 2016 elections. The lying media claimed there was overwhelming evidence that it was true and they wanted an independent counsel to do so. One year down the line, we still just hearing reports of coincidences and business interests rather than significant political cooperation.
You've just completely ignored Snufkin's point. Well done.
Original post by Snufkin
I would not be at all surprised if the New York attorney general Eric Schneiderman charged Trump, Jarred, Donald Jr et al with some kind of fraud/money laundering/white-collar crime the moment Trump leaves office.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
There are grounds to impeach Trump already, it's a question of political will. The Republicans will not turn against him unless their own seats are threatened, or Mueller comes up with such overwhelming evidence that Trump did collude with the Russians that they can no longer ignore it. The former is our best hope as the GOP has proved in recent months that they're capable of putting party before country.
Trump has changed the overton window in America, hes normalised a lot of otherwise despicable behaviour.
He's been accused of rape and sexual assault, hes had many affairs including one with a pornstar, etc etc. In contrast, Republicans would be fuming if Obama merely refused to show his tax records.
You're right, he can and should be impeached but no one has the will to do it, especially when next is Mike Pence.
Trump will be charged with treason and conspiracy to defraud the USA, that'll put him behind bars. For now all we can do is watch delusional trump supporters spout rubbish.
Original post by Captain Haddock
'Typical'
Did you not hear about the investigation into Obama and his falsified birth records? Every US president seems to have a scandal around them!
Original post by Caesar333
You've just completely ignored Snufkin's point. Well done.
Thanks. I want to enter politics in the future. I am learning how to avoid answering questions.
Original post by Caesar333
Did you not hear about the investigation into Obama and his falsified birth records? Every US president seems to have a scandal around them!
This is just your garden variety Special Counsel investigation into conspiracy, obstruction of justice and money laundering that every president goes through, with the same old humdrum charges for 66 counts of conspiracy against the United States spread across 18 separate indictments. Thoroughly pedestrian. Nothing to see here.
Probably never because as we can see by the trend trump gets away with everything , any comment any actions just all of it
Original post by Wired_1800
Never. Trump will serve 2 terms as President. There is nothing that directly affects him.
Those close to the investigation have said that the worst case will be to indict those close to his campaign, which has already happened.
This is just media circus to keep people like you watching and hoping on something. I think there are probably 3 scenarios:
1: They find nothing and everyone goes home, with the liberals angry at their defeat.
2: They find something directly linked to Trump and cover it because the shock will erode public’s trust in the state and directly impact the economy.
3: They find people around him guilty of misbehaviour and indict them. This has already happened.
Since number 3 has already happened, my guess will be that Number 1 will be the most probable case due to the reasons i mentioned in Number 2.
My advice is for us to assume nothing and question everything. The more we think we know, the less we actually do know.
Those close to the investigation have said that the worst case will be to indict those close to his campaign, which has already happened.
This is just media circus to keep people like you watching and hoping on something. I think there are probably 3 scenarios:
1: They find nothing and everyone goes home, with the liberals angry at their defeat.
2: They find something directly linked to Trump and cover it because the shock will erode public’s trust in the state and directly impact the economy.
3: They find people around him guilty of misbehaviour and indict them. This has already happened.
Since number 3 has already happened, my guess will be that Number 1 will be the most probable case due to the reasons i mentioned in Number 2.
My advice is for us to assume nothing and question everything. The more we think we know, the less we actually do know.
Nobody is mentioning the now criminal investigation. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap by the Dems. None of them thought the guy they were investigating would be elected. Its gonna get ugly for the Dems and they've assured a trump victory. Cheaters never prosper. Glorious.
Original post by 4moreyears
Nobody is mentioning the now criminal investigation. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap by the Dems. None of them thought the guy they were investigating would be elected. Its gonna get ugly for the Dems and they've assured a trump victory. Cheaters never prosper. Glorious.
I think the Dems don't expect to impeach Trump because in the end it will be done to the Republicans in the Senate to vote for impeachment. No Republican will want to be the one responsible for getting rid of a Republican President.
It seems the approach the Dems are using is to destroy Trump’s character, so that many of his voters switch away from him during the election.
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