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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    Hardly a flood.

    The last Labour government predicted that only 13,000 would move to Britain from Poland and other eastern European countries after 2004.

    However, more than one million arrived in one of the biggest waves of immigration seen in this country.
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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    Anyone with a basic understanding of economics will understand this.

    The fact that immigrants/kids of immigrants outperform natives at schools is proof of that. Brits are dumb asf.
    Yeah, no.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA0XGVjQtQM

    Unfettered mass migration =/= the "elite" from foreign countries moving here, btw.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    Actually I agree. I don't think that actual free movement across the world will be feasible in reality because at the moment there is so much opposition to immigration across Europe and the US.
    True, but I think that it is reasonable opposition, had free movement been applied in such a way that only included the likes of France, Britain, Spain and Germany, with clear countermeasures in place should it be abused like we have seen then it would have undoubtedly have worked better than it is currently. However I think they got caught up in the dream an now we face a situation where I do not think it should continue for the time being.
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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    White brits make up 87% of the country.
    That would include the white eastern europeans
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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    Because, unlike the rhetoric of the right, most people would stay in a culture theyre most familiar with and have an identity affiliated to.
    Which they incidentally do, when they don't integrate. So not sure what your (non-)point is.
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    (Original post by TCA2b)
    Yeah, no.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA0XGVjQtQM

    Unfettered mass migration =/= the "elite" from foreign countries moving here, btw.
    Linking some youtube pseudo-intellectual is not an argument.
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    This thread inevitably invites the right-wing, psychic, crystal ball readers with information about future events that they pull straight out of their asses.

    Boring.
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    (Original post by FakeNewsEditor)
    This thread inevitably invites the right-wing, psychic, crystal ball readers with information about future events that they pull straight out of their asses.

    Boring.
    With no working understanding of economics either. Im having a conversation with a man who googled "cute girl pic" and used the first result as a profile picture too. That's my cue to leave.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    That is a good point since immigration can often lead to a 'brain drain' of highly skilled people leaving a country and, as a consequence of this, the country losing valuable skilled labour which could benefit the economy. However, one could argue that low skilled immigration from poor countries to rich countries can benefit the source country since immigrants can send remittances to their home countries, which boosts consumption and investment within those countries, enabling them to provide better opportunities for their residents.
    If they choose to use it that way. However, it still does nothing really to encourage capital formation in those countries since for the time being they are atrophied of a more skilled workforce. To the extent that said "remittances" include tax funded payments from the host country, it is also parasitic upon it, whatever the benefits to the recipient country.
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    (Original post by FakeNewsEditor)
    This thread inevitably invites the right-wing, psychic, crystal ball readers with information about future events that they pull straight out of their asses.

    Boring.
    Aka the Econostrologist's psychic musings are called into question, this offends leftists who selectively ignore the defects of this type of analysis when the outcome suits them, and when the Econostrologist pulls information out of its arse, it is given a free pass.

    Boring.
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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    Im having a conversation with a man who googled "cute girl pic" and used the first result as a profile picture too. That's my cue to leave.
    6th result, and not quite

    But you're struggling to respond to most of the points anyway so probably best to go
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    (Original post by TCA2b)
    Aka the Econostrologist's psychic musings are called into question, this offends leftists who selectively ignore the defects of this type of analysis when the outcome suits them, and when the Econostrologist pulls information out of its arse, it is given a free pass.

    Boring.
    Whats analytical about saying "immigrants dont integrate"? You get a free pass for that because its impossible to disprove but everyone who isnt a right wing nutjob knows thats lazy dumb argument.

    Economic theory, from the basics like comparative advantage to the keynesian model will tell you immigration is good.
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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    And, do you think im going to take someone as pathetic as you seriously?
    Oh dear, taken to personal attacks now instead.

    Bye bye
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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    White brits make up 87% of the country. Hardly a flood.
    Minorities making up 13% of the country in 2011 is IIRC almost double what it was in 2001.

    So yes, that is a pretty rapid change.

    Compare it to the US - in the 1970s, the US had around 87% white population. Today, white births are a minority. This is rapid demographic change that we are seeing.

    Whether or not it is a bad thing I'm not commenting on. But lets not pretend it isn't happening.
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    (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
    Minorities making up 13% of the country in 2011 is IIRC almost double what it was in 2001.

    So yes, that is pretty rapid.
    And this is on the assumption that the stats are accurate. If they're anything like the govt's migration stats, they could well be full of holes. What is more important, anyway, is to examine the % by age group.
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    (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
    Minorities making up 13% of the country in 2011 is IIRC almost double what it was in 2001.

    So yes, that is pretty rapid.
    And that's a good thing. A "flood" implies something bad. Yet the vast majority of immigrants integrate successfully and the economy is better off as a result.

    Why do you think immigration isnt being kept to 10s of thousands? Surely that's perfect and will win votes, right?

    No. It's because cutting immigration to such levels does too much damage to the economy.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    Well that's what the survey found. It's ridiculous to assume that billions of Indians, Mexicans and Africans are going to want to move to a country that has a completely different culture and language, has no one that they know, and has a different climate and where they might not be able to actually live a good life. Many Indians, Mexicans and Africans are actually happy where they live. It's only a few that want to leave. It might seem obvious that they would all want to leave when you consider how poor and badly managed those countries are, but there are many other factors that lead to many of them not wanting to leave.
    What happens when those 13% of people move. They develop a similar culture from where they came from at their destination. Then what happens? The people back home see there is a similar culture at a better place, and so more move. And more. And more.
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    (Original post by FakeNewsEditor)
    This thread inevitably invites the right-wing, psychic, crystal ball readers with information about future events that they pull straight out of their asses.

    Boring.
    I wonder if the whole article is speculation? the exact same thing that you are trying to call out, everyone is speculating and using past experiences to try and make a decent judgement as to what will happen in the future.
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    (Original post by Caesar333)
    With no working understanding of economics either. Im having a conversation with a man who googled "cute girl pic" and used the first result as a profile picture too. That's my cue to leave.
    Well, I'd love to hear some of your opinions using this great unfaulterred economics knowledge that you indirectly brandish and flaunt around like some high-brow trophy. Please, educate us oh educated one.
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    (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
    Minorities making up 13% of the country in 2011 is IIRC almost double what it was in 2001.

    So yes, that is a pretty rapid change.

    Compare it to the US - in the 1970s, the US had around 87% white population. Today, white births are a minority. This is rapid demographic change that we are seeing.

    Whether or not it is a bad thing I'm not commenting on. But lets not pretend it isn't happening.
    And this is happening with VERY VERY STRICT immigration laws. Imagine free movement.
 
 
 
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