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    (Original post by CurlyBen)
    Where do you draw the line between hate speech and someone simply expressing an opinion you disagree with?
    What are your thoughts? This piece attacks a minority, and represents them as unnatural and a threat to the upbringing of children. Is this not hateful?
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    I don't even know what's the difference between hate speech and free speech, I see it like this these days
    Hate speech = free speech
    Hate speech is something that is hateful, and attempts to cause harm often to a minority group. This article constructs same-sex male parents as unnatural, and a threat to child upbringing. Note how the author complains that the pictures make him feel uneasy, whereas he hasn’t done this about a heterosexual couple. He specifically targets gay men, and attempts to demonise them. Such articles can have a huge impact upon public opinion- as seen in this thread
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    (Original post by .A_C.)
    It's called freedom of speech...
    Please elaborate.. are you saying this isn’t hateful and doesn’t sow the seeds of division by targeting a minority group? ‘Freedom of speech’ is tossed around so much that it becomes an excuse.. Is Hitler excused for his comments about minorities in Germany?
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    (Original post by limetang)
    Just as importantly. How do you know that the arguments against same sex parenting, against trans people etc are wrong if you have never listened to them? How can anybody else know they’re wrong if you’ve banned them from being made?
    Nobody has said ban them? It’s just how things are written in this article which persecutes a minority group. Creating a narrative of fear doesn’t help the debate..
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    (Original post by thoward7nrz)
    What are your thoughts? This piece attacks a minority, and represents them as unnatural and a threat to the upbringing of children. Is this not hateful?
    That interpretation is so selective it's more or less the inverse of Daily Mail journalism, including making things up. Quotes such as "I'd rather children were fostered by loving gay couples" and "No one is suggesting that homosexual couples can't make excellent parents" hardly represent gay parents as "a threat to the upbringing of children".

    That said, the article is written in a provocative (and frankly tedious) manner. The opinions in it frankly aren't all that unreasonable, even if you don't agree with them. It's an article intended to inflame people, and it's worked very well.

    To be honest if anyone's creating a "narrative of fear" here, it's you!
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    (Original post by Dez)
    Richard Littlejohn is a waste of oxygen. There is simply no point in taking anything he writes seriously.
    It's easy to dismiss the creep, but the fact remains that, like they did with Katie Hopkins, the Mail gives huge space to the bile, reactionary intolerance and hate messages that pour forth from these overpaid spokestools for the bigoted newsmedia oligarchs.

    Everyone can help by supporting the campaign to ask advertisers not to pay the Mail for space. It is not a decent family newspaper.

    Stop Funding Hate.
    https://stopfundinghate.org.uk/categ...l-advertisers/
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    Can someone C&P any extracts that exhibit this hatred?
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    The Daily Mail is racist and sexist trash, it shouldn't even be allowed to be printed
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    It's fairly abhorrent, but not unexpected, based on past similar articles. I don't think it should be banned, but it's certainly reassuring to see less and less people supporting the content as time goes on.
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    Its a right wing tabloid which appeals to the hardcore conservative readers. Pay no attention to it, they have to say whatever they need to say to appease their viewers, theres always a newspaper out there for every political type.
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    (Original post by thoward7nrz)
    Nobody has said ban them? It’s just how things are written in this article which persecutes a minority group. Creating a narrative of fear doesn’t help the debate..
    No, just implied it.
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    (Original post by thoward7nrz)
    Does anybody have any thoughts on the recent homophobic article published in the Daily Mail? Targeting same-sex parents, could constructing them as not normal and thus unnatural , and criticising the transformational surgery undertaken by a transgender person in the United States. I personally think this was completely inappropriate, as studies have shown having same-sex parents leaves the child with no disadvantages. Isn’t it time companies stop advertising in this scaremongering paper?


    Well this is the newspaper that supported hitler. And we all know what the nazis did to gay people.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Well this is the newspaper that supported hitler. And we all know what the nazis did to gay people.
    The Nazis killed gay people. They may not be at the forefront of social change but do you see the Mail calling to kill, punish or in any way penalise gays? No.

    The Nazis also banned newspapers they disliked. Do you see young Labourites calling to ban newspapers they disagree with? Yes.

    Who's really behaving more like Hitler's thugs?
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    The Nazis killed gay people. They may not be at the forefront of social change but do you see the Mail calling to kill, punish or in any way penalise gays? No.

    The Nazis also banned newspapers they disliked. Do you see young Labourites calling to ban newspapers they disagree with? Yes.

    Who's really behaving more like Hitler's thugs?
    Nobody is calling for the paper to be banned on this thread? I’m a member of Labour, I’m not demanding it be banned. You’re propounding a narrative of fear, by stating that we’re attacking traditional freedoms and liberties. Also, he does target and penalise same-sex men in this article, see all the comments above. Place yourself in the shoes of a same-sex male..
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    The Nazis killed gay people. They may not be at the forefront of social change but do you see the Mail calling to kill, punish or in any way penalise gays? No.

    The Nazis also banned newspapers they disliked. Do you see young Labourites calling to ban newspapers they disagree with? Yes.

    Who's really behaving more like Hitler's thugs?
    If the mail had their way gay people wouldn't exist.Do you think the Nazis just randomly started killing people? No it was years of homophobia and anti Semitic sentiment that led to the genocide.The mail contributes to homophobic sentiment and that particular writer has already wrote an article which indirectly led to someone's suicide.
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    (Original post by thoward7nrz)
    Nobody is calling for the paper to be banned on this thread? I’m a member of Labour, I’m not demanding it be banned. You’re propounding a narrative of fear, by stating that we’re attacking traditional freedoms and liberties. Also, he does target and penalise same-sex men in this article, see all the comments above. Place yourself in the shoes of a same-sex male..
    People in this very thread have called for it to be banned.

    Yet more think it shouldn't be allowed to publish things they disagree with.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    If the mail had their way gay people wouldn't exist.Do you think the Nazis just randomly started killing people? No it was years of homophobia and anti Semitic sentiment that led to the genocide.The mail contributes to homophobic sentiment and that particular writer has already wrote an article which indirectly led to someone's suicide.
    So you think we're on a slippery slope to mass genocide?

    And you got this from a newspaper article you disagreed with?

    No wonder they call you people snowflakes.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    So you think we're on a slippery slope to mass genocide?

    And you got this from a newspaper article you disagreed with?

    No wonder they call you people snowflakes.
    Did I say that? Britain is one of the best places to be gay in the world but it's definitely no thanks to the conservative values espoused by newspapers like the mail.All the progress we have made on gay rights has been opposed every step of the way by tories.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    All the progress we have made on gay rights has been opposed every step of the way by tories.
    Just remind me which party legalised gay marriage...
 
 
 
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