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    A woman has admitted murdering her baby son after changing her plea halfway through her trial. Hannah Turtle, 22, from Shotton in Flintshire, suffocated seven-week-old James Hughes in 2016. She stopped his breathing on two other occasions before she killed him - both times he was revived in hospital. Turtle also admitted five other child cruelty charges and administering James with an adult antidepressant at Mold Crown Court on Tuesday. Turtle - who claimed she had heard voices telling her she was a bad mother - sat in the dock crying as the jury was discharged by Mr Justice Lewis.
    Prior to her guilty plea, prosecutor David Elias QC said Turtle accepted she stopped James breathing on three occasions within a 10-day period. "We may never know why exactly she did this," Mr Elias had said.
    James was taken to the Countess of Chester Hospital and kept in for observations, but the prosecution said he stopped breathing while Turtle was alone with him. He was admitted to hospital on two other occasions in the days before his death after Turtle pinched his nose to restrict his breathing. On 9 June 2016, she suffocated her son again but this time he did not recover and died in hospital on 13 June from brain damage due to oxygen deprivation. Gordon Cole QC, defending Turtle, said the jury had not heard psychiatric evidence but said post-natal depression was an issue in the case. The court heard while Turtle had no mental illness it had been agreed she suffered from a personality disorder. The judge said he had to impose a life-sentence for murder but he needed to fix the minimum term she should have to serve, and one of the key issues he must consider was her culpability. Turtle, who also admitted putting her own anti-depressant drug in his milk bottle, will be sentenced on Thursday.




    It makes me feel sick and disgusted and the fact that she done it two times before is revolting.
    Using post-natal depression as an excuse to defend her is unacceptable: he was only a baby and she murdered him.
    What do you think should be the minimum term that she should have to serve?
    Do you think because she suffered post-natal depression and a personality disorder she should not receive a life time sentence or she should be put in a mental institution instead?
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    I think not being privy to the medical reports we arent in a position to make a judgement on whether she is compus mentis. I also think your diatribe is somewhat questionable when you are not, to my knowledge, at all familiar with this case.
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    A woman has admitted murdering her baby son after changing her plea halfway through her trial. Hannah Turtle, 22, from Shotton in Flintshire, suffocated seven-week-old James Hughes in 2016. She stopped his breathing on two other occasions before she killed him - both times he was revived in hospital. Turtle also admitted five other child cruelty charges and administering James with an adult antidepressant at Mold Crown Court on Tuesday. Turtle - who claimed she had heard voices telling her she was a bad mother - sat in the dock crying as the jury was discharged by Mr Justice Lewis.
    Prior to her guilty plea, prosecutor David Elias QC said Turtle accepted she stopped James breathing on three occasions within a 10-day period. "We may never know why exactly she did this," Mr Elias had said.
    James was taken to the Countess of Chester Hospital and kept in for observations, but the prosecution said he stopped breathing while Turtle was alone with him. He was admitted to hospital on two other occasions in the days before his death after Turtle pinched his nose to restrict his breathing. On 9 June 2016, she suffocated her son again but this time he did not recover and died in hospital on 13 June from brain damage due to oxygen deprivation. Gordon Cole QC, defending Turtle, said the jury had not heard psychiatric evidence but said post-natal depression was an issue in the case. The court heard while Turtle had no mental illness it had been agreed she suffered from a personality disorder. The judge said he had to impose a life-sentence for murder but he needed to fix the minimum term she should have to serve, and one of the key issues he must consider was her culpability. Turtle, who also admitted putting her own anti-depressant drug in his milk bottle, will be sentenced on Thursday.





    It makes me feel sick and disgusted and the fact that she done it two times before is revolting.
    Using post-natal depression as an excuse to defend her is unacceptable: he was only a baby and she murdered him.
    What do you think should be the minimum term that she should have to serve?
    Do you think because she suffered post-natal depression and a personality disorder she should not receive a life time sentence or she should be put in a mental institution instead?
    there's postnatal depression and there's postnatal (or postpartum) psychosis.
    This is not the first case of mother killing her child because 'voices are telling her to do so' and unfortunately probably won't be the last one. I've heard of a GP who jumped out of the window with her newborn child as a result of postpartum psychosis (they both sadly died).

    Postpartum psychosis is a genuine medical condition and is a psychiatric emergency that can escalate within hours.

    I assume you are lucky enough to have never suffer from auditory hallucinations (which are the so-called voices), but they usually sound VERY real to the person (as real as actual people, they aren't voices inside your head) and affected people usually aren't aware that they are pathological and don't exist.
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    there's postnatal depression and there's postnatal (or postpartum) psychosis.
    This is not the first case of mother killing her child because 'voices are telling her to do so' and unfortunately probably won't be the last one. I've heard of a GP who jumped out of the window with her newborn child as a result of postpartum psychosis (they both sadly died).

    Postpartum psychosis is a genuine medical condition and is a psychiatric emergency that can escalate within hours.

    I assume you are lucky enough to have never suffer from auditory hallucinations (which are the so-called voices), but they usually sound VERY real to the person (as real as actual people, they aren't voices inside your head) and affected people usually aren't aware that they are pathological and don't exist.
    Yeah it must be pretty terrifying being in that situation. Sad
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    The immediate response of TSR to a story about a woman who has pleaded guilty to murdering her child is to leap to the woman's defence. Incredible.

    She pleaded guilty, inevitably on the basis of expert legal advice, to murder. This means she was fit to stand trial. She was not insane. She was not able to avail herself of the partial defence of diminished responsibility, which is set out in the Homicide Act in the following terms:

    (1)A person (“D”) who kills or is a party to the killing of another is not to be convicted of murder if D was suffering from an abnormality of mental functioning which—

    (a)arose from a recognised medical condition,

    (b)substantially impaired D's ability to do one or more of the things mentioned in subsection (1A), and

    (c)provides an explanation for D's acts and omissions in doing or being a party to the killing.

    (1A)Those things are—

    (a)to understand the nature of D's conduct;

    (b)to form a rational judgment;

    (c)to exercise self-control.

    (1B)For the purposes of subsection (1)(c), an abnormality of mental functioning provides an explanation for D's conduct if it causes, or is a significant contributory factor in causing, D to carry out that conduct
    In these circumstances there is absolutely no basis for the degree of sympathy shown towards her in this thread.

    The woman will be sentenced on the basis that she is a murderer. This is entirely justified, as is OP's disgust at her behaviour.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    The immediate response of TSR to a story about a woman who has pleaded guilty to murdering her child is to leap to the woman's defence. Incredible.

    She pleaded guilty, inevitably on the basis of expert legal advice, to murder. This means she was fit to stand trial. She was not insane. She was not able to avail herself of the partial defence of diminished responsibility, which is set out in the Homicide Act in the following terms:



    In these circumstances there is absolutely no basis for the degree of sympathy shown towards her in this thread.

    The woman will be sentenced on the basis that she is a murderer. This is entirely justified, as is OP's disgust at her behaviour.
    We have no idea what was going through her mind when this happened.
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    This sounds scary
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    The immediate response of TSR to a story about a woman who has pleaded guilty to murdering her child is to leap to the woman's defence. Incredible.

    She pleaded guilty, inevitably on the basis of expert legal advice, to murder. This means she was fit to stand trial. She was not insane. She was not able to avail herself of the partial defence of diminished responsibility, which is set out in the Homicide Act in the following terms:



    In these circumstances there is absolutely no basis for the degree of sympathy shown towards her in this thread.

    The woman will be sentenced on the basis that she is a murderer. This is entirely justified, as is OP's disgust at her behaviour.
    Her mental state should be considered though.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    The immediate response of TSR to a story about a woman who has pleaded guilty to murdering her child is to leap to the woman's defence. Incredible.

    She pleaded guilty, inevitably on the basis of expert legal advice, to murder. This means she was fit to stand trial. She was not insane. She was not able to avail herself of the partial defence of diminished responsibility, which is set out in the Homicide Act in the following terms:



    In these circumstances there is absolutely no basis for the degree of sympathy shown towards her in this thread.

    The woman will be sentenced on the basis that she is a murderer. This is entirely justified, as is OP's disgust at her behaviour.
    She doesn't deserve any sympathy. Spot in with your response
 
 
 
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