Alfie Evans: Sick toddler’s life support ‘can end’ Watch

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Ah see I was under the assumption that he probably wouldn't have much capacity for pain in the circumstances. if they can't be too sure then I suppose that's rather more problematic. I'm not too big on child suffering. Reiterating my slightly psychopathic-sounding point from before though, I'm not sure his rate of deterioration is too relevant if the British medical profession have effectively concluded that his death is already inevitable. Although I suppose that kinda relates to your second point, which is great 'cause now I can force a segue...

On the second point erm... I'll have to let it brew for a bit, so to speak. I'm not sure where my head is on that one tbph.
Not a simple assessment by any stretch, eh.
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Not a simple assessment by any stretch, eh.
Well I don't envy the doctors, to say the least.
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Ah see I was under the assumption that he probably wouldn't have much capacity for pain in the circumstances. if they can't be too sure then I suppose that's rather more problematic. I'm not too big on child suffering. Reiterating my slightly psychopathic-sounding point from before though, I'm not sure his rate of deterioration is too relevant if the British medical profession have effectively concluded that his death is already inevitable. Although I suppose that kinda relates to your second point, which is great 'cause now I can force a segue...

On the second point erm... I'll have to let it brew for a bit, so to speak. I'm not sure where my head is on that one tbph.
I’d just like to reiterate gjd800’s great points. The hospital that intend to take him have themselves admitted that journey may induce seizures. These seizures would damage Alfie’s brain even further and lead to not only a possibly painful death but one that would be messy and traumatic for medical staff and the parents a like. You also run the risk of the parents not being able to be there when their son passes.

The second biggest harm of taking Alfie to Rome is that they are proposing to perform a trachy/PEG. This would see Alfie on an operating table. We are faced with the same problems as before where Alfie could feel pain, or again could have a horrible death. Fitting these will merely mean it is easier to keep him ‘alive’ (and I mean that in the most primitive sense) for longer. The way Alfie is currently alive is viewed by the medical team (and I fully support this) as suffering.

Changing location therefore is far more harmful than any potential benefits of which, for Alfie, there are none. Moving him would only be detrimental to him but maybe of some comfort to the parents- and this is why the courts must get involved. Parents, unfortunately, do not always know best.
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These "doctors" have blood on their hands.
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Up until recently I have had sympathy for Alfie Evans parents but not anymore, the father especially is just a little jumped up ignorant chav. Sure he no doubt loves his son but the parents don’t seem to be able to bear loosing a child he’s not worrying about the suffering that Alfie will have to live through if he is kept on life support.

The whole “Alfie’s Army” thing is pathetic aswell, it just seems to be a bunch of single mums who think motherhood gives them some sort of deep and special knowledge that the rest of us don’t understand, and it’s no surprise they seem to be drawn from the uneducated/unemployed portion of society most intelligent people will realise the numerous doctors involved should be listened to not grieving parents.

The parents actions at the hospital are a joke the Police should permanently brake the “Army” up they are causing huge distress to the other sick children and their families in the hospital but they don’t give a **** about them they just want attention and spotlight when they should be spending their time with their dying son before he passes it shows where their priorities lie. The threatening of Doctors and Nurses from the hospital is shameful and anyone responsible including the Evans’s should be hammered by the police.
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How are they intending to fly him to Italy? Assuming he's even medically fit to fly.
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*Alfie has died.

RIP
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These "doctors" have blood on their hands.
Why? Nothing more could've been done for him.
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Name and shame the doctors.
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Name and shame the doctors.
What good will that do?
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Thank you so much for this post, this is the best to provide information for those who want to support its life-saving procedure which would be helpful. So keep it up. I too know a southern California mobile CPR, they offer American heart association or EMS safety CPR training and two year CPR card.
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