Is Vaccination necessary?

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In light of the WHO's recent publication of soaring numbers of measles cases in Europe, what do you think?

Childhood disease we should just get on with, or is it really something we should be panicking about and banning children from schools/nurseries who haven't had their shots?

http://m.dw.com/en/measles-cases-soa...rns/a-42645701
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If people value their continued existence then they should get their shots. But if they get bored of life and want to die like a 16th century peasant, hey who are we to stop them.
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If people value their continued existence then they should get their shots. But if they get bored of life and want to die like a 16th century peasant, hey who are we to stop them.
do you not think it should be mandatory to protect those who can't be vaccinated?
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is it really something we should be panicking about and banning children from schools/nurseries who haven't had their shots?
Not allowing attendance at nurseries because they have not been vaccinated is not panic. It is a reasonable measure to protect the masses from the irresponsibility of the few who, by not getting vaccinated, jeopardise herd immunity against these diseases.

Such bans are not unreasonable: they merely refuse to provide exceptions to those who have chosen to exclude themselves by not conforming to reasonable and sensible life-saving health precautions taken in the interest of society as a whole.
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Of course. No surprise that almost eliminated diseases like measles are making a comeback now vaccination rates are declining.

Anti-vaxxers are morons who can get in the bin with their woke af ****. Policies like no jab no play and no jab no pay in australia are the way to go - vaccinate your kids or forfeit participation in civilised society.
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do you not think it should be mandatory to protect those who can't be vaccinated?
I was trying to be over top obvious in my support in vaccination but i failed lol. I belive vaccinations should be mandatory anyway.
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Not allowing attendance at nurseries because they have not been vaccinated is not panic. It is a reasonable measure to protect the masses from the irresponsibility of the few who, by not getting vaccinated, jeopardise herd immunity against these diseases.

Such bans are not unreasonable: they merely refuse to provide exceptions to those who have chosen to exclude themselves by not conforming to reasonable and sensible life-saving health precautions taken in the interest of society as a whole.
But where do you stop? Do you continue that exclusion all the way through to work? Welfare? How far do you go?
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But where do you stop? Do you continue that exclusion all the way through to work?
That would be a matter for those institutions. If schools or employers stopped attendance by the unimmune people would soon get vaccinated.
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(Original post by Guru Jason)
If people value their continued existence then they should get their shots. But if they get bored of life and want to die like a 16th century peasant, hey who are we to stop them.
Pretty much sums it up. Wouldn't mind a cheeky inoculation party though
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That would be a matter for those institutions. If schools or employers stopped attendance by the unimmune people would soon get vaccinated.
But what about welfare? Should you have to prove you/your children have had all the required vaccinations to be entitled to claim benefits?
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But where do you stop? Do you continue that exclusion all the way through to work? Welfare? How far do you go?
Putting aside the increased importance of timely vaccination for children given their weaker immune systems (to use the OP's example of measles, infant mortality rates are significantly higher than in adults), a side benefit of strict enforcement at a young age is that it significantly diminishes the necessity to impose restrictions in later life.
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The benefits of vaccination are clear, on measles alone. In the 1940s there were almost half a million cases annually, and hundreds of those resulted in death. Caccination has reduced the equivalent figures to about 1,000 and almost none. It is a black and white case in favour of vaccination.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...s-1940-to-2013
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The benefits of vaccination are clear, on measles alone. In the 1940s there were almost half a million cases annually, and hundreds of those resulted in death. Caccination has reduced the equivalent figures to about 1,000 and almost none. It is a black and white case in favour of vaccination.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...s-1940-to-2013
Maybe that's just when the government chose to stop poisoning the water supply!

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Maybe that's just when the government chose to stop poisoning the water supply!
It could coincide with the cheap availability of aluminium foil in British shops after the founding of Bacofoil in 1962, of course.
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It could coincide with the cheap availability of aluminium foil in British shops after the founding of Bacofoil in 1962, of course.
That stuff protects against mind control, not diseases, get your facts straight.
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That stuff protects against mind control, not diseases, get your facts straight.
Doesn't the aluminium in vaccines give you autism? Or is that the formaldehyde?
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That stuff protects against mind control, not diseases, get your facts straight.
How come nobody wearing a tinfoil hat has ever been shown to have died of measles then?
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Doesn't the aluminium in vaccines give you autism? Or is that the formaldehyde?
Formaldehyde, mercury, aluminium, or whatever else is on the label that sounds scary. They're equal opportunity fearmongers in the antivax community.
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How come nobody wearing a tinfoil hat has ever been shown to have died of measles then?
Wooception, that one's hurting to get my head around.

(Original post by Gofre)
Formaldehyde, mercury, aluminium, or whatever else is on the label that sounds scary. They're equal opportunity fearmongers in the antivax community.
Should I stop wrapping my sandwiches in tin foil?
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Formaldehyde, mercury, aluminium, or whatever else is on the label that sounds scary. They're equal opportunity fearmongers in the antivax community.
Let's not forget dioxin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRVvjGL2C0

https://spherical********.wordpress....-yes-minister/
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