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    It occured to be perhaps the reason he receives so much hatred and attacks by Momentum type people is because he's honest about being rich and posh, whereas people like Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour student protesters are rich and middle class but masquerade as representing the working class.
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    The right love to complain about identity politics, yet here's you, literally unable to even conceive of the idea that people might judge a politician on their policies rather than their identity.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The right love to complain about identity politics, yet here's you, literally unable to even conceive of the idea that people might judge a politician on their policies rather than their identity.

    I'm talking about the people who don't, like those student protesters yelling 'facist', 'scum' while he was asking them what they want to discuss or disagreed with.


    And why would you assume I'm right-wing (whatever that means in the modern world).
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    (Original post by bob072)
    It occured to be perhaps the reason he receives so much hatred and attacks by Momentum type people is because he's honest about being rich and posh, whereas people like Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour student protesters are rich and middle class but masquerade as representing the working class.
    He is still a slimy Tory, but he openly acknowledges his wealth and background - we hate him because he represents everything we hate about conservativism and the hierarchy based on inherited wealth. They don't hate him per se but he perfectly encapsulates everything we'd like to see rid of.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The right love to complain about identity politics, yet here's you, literally unable to even conceive of the idea that people might judge a politician on their policies rather than their identity.
    And yet, I give you exhibit A:

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    He is still a slimy Tory, but he openly acknowledges his wealth and background - we hate him because he represents everything we hate about conservativism and the hierarchy based on inherited wealth. They don't hate him per se but he perfectly encapsulates everything we'd like to see rid of.
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    Not really judging him though
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    (Original post by bob072)
    It occured to be perhaps the reason he receives so much hatred and attacks by Momentum type people is because he's honest about being rich and posh, whereas people like Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour student protesters are rich and middle class but masquerade as representing the working class.
    He seems pretty likeable, coming from a person with left-centre views.

    He openly admits that he got into Eton and Oxford purely based on wealth and status.

    He's been privileged in life, but at least he isn't deluded or chameleon like so many other politicians.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    He is still a slimy Tory, but he openly acknowledges his wealth and background - we hate him because he represents everything we hate about conservativism and the hierarchy based on inherited wealth. They don't hate him per se but he perfectly encapsulates everything we'd like to see rid of.

    He also worked in business, most MPs (Labour and Tory) had wealthy parents and typically went to good schools then Oxford and into politics as soon as they could.

    We can't choose where we were born, so what's wrong with being open about it, rather than attempting to hide it and portray yourself as you aren't. He happens to be conservative, Labour millionaires like Corbyn are (allegedly) socialist, so I don't see how it's relevant.


    I agree those born rich have unproportional influence but things were better under Thatcher where we had social mobility.
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    Moggy boo <3
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    It depends. he's an overrated ****, and many Tories try and pair him to Corbyn.
    Such a comparison is pretty shot, and inane, given the great disparity in their views.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The right love to complain about identity politics, yet here's you, literally unable to even conceive of the idea that people might judge a politician on their policies rather than their identity.
    If you call JRM a fascist you’re essentially saying ‘I know nothing about your beliefs’.
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    Corbyn wasn't born upper class though. Neither was May. Most prominent politicians haven't been over the past few decades, with Blair, Brown, Cameron, and maybe Miliband as exceptions. Thatcher and Major were not upper class either.
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    I dont think I would say that Rees-Mogg is honest at all, in fact he is the direct product of a series of corruptions which is to the detriment of 99% of us. He's an expert manipulator, but easy to see through, for those with experience. And he's strikes me as being very 'wet'. How anyone can relate to him is difficult to comprehend, and in the end, if ever put under pressure, he will never betray his own class. Which means he will betray the rest of us. He has no answers or policies or stances that are of any significance. Complete chocolate teapot. Of no significance to me at all. [Because when I look around, I see a country which is in dire desperate need of real radical reform, the type which would hit his class hardest. It would be like asking someone to introduce something which analogously is shooting themselves in the head! ] If he wasnt on have i got news for you so bloody often he'd be assigned to the dustbin of history where he belongs.
    Ask him how much money he gets from the EU, via the poorest taxpayers, or how much land his family owns and where it is, and hows its funded, and how it was originally acquired, and why he isnt taxed on it, and why the poorest should pay for it.
    The answers would be very murky indeed, and particularly unfair, when you think about them. Quite despicable probably, would be the conclusion I imagine I'd arrive at. Daddy was a Baron. Archetypical toff. Landed Gentry. Parasitical in other words. To the detriment of the rest of us. Exactly what we DO NOT need.
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    Rees-Mogg is a legend. Too much of a hard-Brexiter for me though.
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    (Original post by bob072)
    It occured to be perhaps the reason he receives so much hatred and attacks by Momentum type people is because he's honest about being rich and posh, whereas people like Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour student protesters are rich and middle class but masquerade as representing the working class.
    Corbyn doesn't masquerade as working class. Nor does he pretend to have come from a poverty-stricken background.

    I don't really care about Rees-Mogg's background or how posh he is. I care about the fact that his policies would be disastrous for this country, in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The right love to complain about identity politics, yet here's you, literally unable to even conceive of the idea that people might judge a politician on their policies rather than their identity.
    We've just had Conservatives accusing Corbyn of selling secrets to our enemies without any evidence, yet they get all cross when people say mean things about Rees-Mogg.
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    Unfortunately a lot of people seem to be hard wired to be lemmings. Nobody in their right minds who believe that a higher level of nationwide economic equality is a just concept worthy of pursuing, would vote for him.
    Ask him why we should accept an unelected house of Lords? Its completely ridiculous in the 21C, that a bill can be passed in parliament, and then pushed up to the unelected Lords, and vetoed [overturned] The senior house in the USA, the senate is not unelected. And you think thats democratic? Please.......His ilk are the exact opposite of democratic.
    So what if he appears to be charming? Ugh.......sigh......its always been that way, so theres no point in becoming a SJW about it. But please, see people for what they are.
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    Hope he becomes leader as this will certainly condemn the Tories to perdition. I don't think there is much support for his overt brand of conservatism.
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    I don’t agree with all of his policies - and don’t think he would be a good PM as he isn’t representative of the country HOWEVER he does represent lots of sects of society (Religious, Upper Class, Hard Brexiteers) and so is an integral part to democracy because he does represent a lot of people as an MP!
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    (Original post by Zarek)
    Hope he becomes leader as this will certainly condemn the Tories to perdition. I don't think there is much support for his overt brand of conservatism.
    I know a lot of people that support him, get out your bubble
 
 
 
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