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He is still a slimy Tory, but he openly acknowledges his wealth and background - we hate him because he represents everything we hate about conservativism and the hierarchy based on inherited wealth. They don't hate him per se but he perfectly encapsulates everything we'd like to see rid of.
What's wrong with inherited wealth? If your dad worked hard, ran a successful business worth millions or owned property to the same value; why is it a bad thing to pass down to his sons/daughters what he and/or his forefathers have earned through hard work?
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Labour student protesters are rich and middle class but masquerade as representing the working class.
Not all Labour student protesters are rich and middle-class. I'm from one of the most deprived areas of this country, a former mining town, and my family are all working-class, blue-collar workers. Many of my friends from university are from similar backgrounds. Why generalise Labour student protesters?
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Unfortunately a lot of people seem to be hard wired to be lemmings. Nobody in their right minds who believe that a higher level of nationwide economic equality is a just concept worthy of pursuing, would vote for him.
Ask him why we should accept an unelected house of Lords? Its completely ridiculous in the 21C, that a bill can be passed in parliament, and then pushed up to the unelected Lords, and vetoed [overturned] The senior house in the USA, the senate is not unelected. And you think thats democratic? Please.......His ilk are the exact opposite of democratic.
So what if he appears to be charming? Ugh.......sigh......its always been that way, so theres no point in becoming a SJW about it. But please, see people for what they are.

What's more important: closer economic equality or making everyone better off (even if some more than others)?
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I know a lot of people that support him, get out your bubble
Undoubtedly there are people that appreciate his elitist and intolerant outlook, thankfully I don't think they are even a sizeable minority. Well below the number of Farrage supporters at his prime.
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Not all Labour student protesters are rich and middle-class. I'm from one of the most deprived areas of this country, a former mining town, and my family are all working-class, blue-collar workers. Many of my friends from university are from similar backgrounds. Why generalise Labour student protesters?

Not everyone is, sorry if I gave that impression, but most are. I'm from a very working class area also, and one of the biggest concerns is immigration. But Labour has to pander to its Remain membership and not offer anything.
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What's more important: closer economic equality or making everyone better off (even if some more than others)?
Addressing root issues is most important. Major systemic change. All they do is tinker around the edges, and give us the scraps from the table. [and thats not even scraping the surface of a half decent critique.] Thieving ba5tards would be more appropriate.
Its a very bitter pill to have to swallow. Especially knowing its reversible.
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Undoubtedly there are people that appreciate his elitist and intolerant outlook, thankfully I don't think they are even a sizeable minority. Well below the number of Farrage supporters at his prime.
How's he intolerant? Are you not just being "intolerant" of him? Shame on you! Hahaha
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I just can't stand his bushy eyebrows and his smug and pompous demeanour. For me he represents everything that is wrong with society - Whiteness.
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Addressing root issues is most important.
I don't know what you mean?

In response to the original point, the richest 1% pay 30% of tax. You will increase equality by making them leave by hiking up taxes (like happened in Labours 70s) but also not help anyone.


I (and JRM) believe the opportunity of social mobility is better than the state pulling everybody together (and when people work hard for it the economy will grow more). Grammar schools would help massively.
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I just can't stand his bushy eyebrows and his smug and pompous demeanour. For me he represents everything that is wrong with society - Whiteness.
White is what's wrong with society? If it wasn't for white people you wouldn't be writing this on a smartphone/laptop using the internet. Muggy bloke.

Also, if you want to play identity politics like the left love to encourage; London would statistically be 4x safer without black people.
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It occured to be perhaps the reason he receives so much hatred and attacks by Momentum type people is because he's honest about being rich and posh, whereas people like Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour student protesters are rich and middle class but masquerade as representing the working class.
Maybe because his the easiest to attack? He has the views of 15th century, if he ever wins all the progress from 1900s would be axed in years.
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It occured to be perhaps the reason he receives so much hatred and attacks by Momentum type people is because he's honest about being rich and posh, whereas people like Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour student protesters are rich and middle class but masquerade as representing the working class.
Possibly! Still like him far more than just about anyone in Westminster, but I haven't got hang ups about "posh" people, unless they're socialists/SJWs, but I dislike those regardless of economic background... as in, even if it's some politician from some supposed "working class" background, their drivel remains drivel all the same. Their background lends no further credibility to their views.

Mogg is intelligent, articulate and very reasonable. I don't think his patrician background is necessarily an impediment. Trump and Farage, who are both from upper class backgrounds, have tremendous resonance with their supporters from far more varied backgrounds. It comes down more to affect and ability to relate to others from different backgrounds, and perhaps Mogg's cool, aloof air will hurt him a little in that respect. I don't think he'll fair as badly as Miliband did in his abortive attempts to rabble rouse.

Still, he's nowhere near as bad as May...
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How's he intolerant?
what, you haven't spotted the modern day bigotry.
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Maybe because his the easiest to attack? He has the views of 15th century, if he ever wins all the progress from 1900s would be axed in years.
How very current year.

Sticking date labels on things = cogent argument.

Right.

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Maybe because his the easiest to attack? He has the views of 15th century, if he ever wins all the progress from 1900s would be axed in years.
there has been a lot of change from the 1900s. not sure about progress...

GO J-MOGG :jive::rave:
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what, you haven't spotted the modern day bigotry.
Er, no? Just someone that speaks common sense? Personally I find your opinion quite "intolerant" of the big boss man JRM.

*edit. Although I will concede that his abortion views could be amended. But even on that point, woman should get their mans to wrap it up or stop putting it about so much.
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I just can't stand his bushy eyebrows and his smug and pompous demeanour. For me he represents everything that is wrong with society - Whiteness.
Then piss of somewhere where whites aren't a majority.

Just make sure they're not intolerant of whatever your kind is, because non-white countries don't suffer from the same diversity fetish.
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White was is what's wrong with society? If it wasn't for white people you wouldn't be writing this on a smartphone/laptop using the internet. Muggy bloke.
I never said anything against white people. Where did you get that from? I'm talking about the social construction of Whiteness.
Reading some of the unintelligible posts on this so-called "student" forum makes me lost hope in the quality of the education system in this country. I am white myself so I don't know what the hell you're talking about so stop your racist and ignorant rhetoric.
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I never said anything against white people. Where did you get that from? I'm talking about the social construction of Whiteness.
Reading some of the unintelligible posts on this so-called "student" forum makes me lost hope in the quality of the education system in this country.
Social construct is a heap of regressive BS. There are only biological differences between races. As the yesteryear scientific research proves before the PG brigade got up in arms over factual data. We should celebrate our differences.
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Then piss of somewhere where whites aren't a majority.

Just make sure they're not intolerant of whatever your kind is, because non-white countries don't suffer from the same diversity fetish.
Oh here we go another radical white man spewing his intolerant views on the internet. You've watched too many Milo and Ben Shapiro videos on youtube, is that it?

Diversity? The only thing diverse about the UK is that it is multicultural, we are far from achieving equal representation (and pay and treatment) for women and people of colour. This society needs to be dispelled of its Whiteness and shed it is divisive white identity in order to make this country fairer for everyone.
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