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    How do different generations perceive and act towards the GLBTI group?
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    Who calls it GLBTI??
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    My guess is Gays that think they deserve to by higher up the victim hierarchy than lesbians bisexuals transgenders and whoever the i's are, but I could be wrong, it has been known.
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    (Original post by Just my opinion)
    My guess is Gays that think they deserve to by higher up the victim hierarchy than lesbians bisexuals transgenders and whoever the i's are, but I could be wrong, it has been known.
    I think the 'I' might refer to intersex....a group of people who suffer from a genetic abnormality that results in their genitals not developing properly...

    So the G and the L and the B stand for sexual preferences...the T stands for a group of people who identify with a different sex and the I stands for a people with a medical condition....this liberal classification system is becoming .....how should I say this.....very nonsensical/confusing and dear I say comical?

    ...but wait there's more and the author of this thread did not include them in "ze's" title...should we reports this for discrimination?

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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    I think the 'I' might refer to intersex....a group of people who suffer from a genetic abnormality that results in their genitals not developing properly...

    So the G and the L and the B stand for sexual preferences...the T stands for a group of people who identify with a different sex and the I stands for a people with a medical condition....this liberal classification system is becoming .....how should I say this.....very nonsensical/confusing and dear I say comical?

    ...but wait there's more and the author of this thread did not include them in "ze's" title...should we reports this for discrimination?

    Lol that video... I think in the future there will be so many different options that people will just say "Hello everyone" or "hello all", you can't possibly offend anyone with those phrases.

    I think I could start getting out of hand though if people are allowed to keep inventing new terms to describe their chosen sexuality.
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    I’m a huge fan of the LGBTQWERTY community, they make some of the best memes on tumblr

    Honestly though, all prejudice against LGBT people in society in this generation is purely inherited, most people of our generation are open minded and have no issue with it
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    I don't know anyone personally who's unironically anti any of the LGBT(etc) folks at sixth form, at most they wouldn't date trans people and find people trying to make them use their preferred pronouns annoying.
    However I know my dad and his side of the family would disown me if I was gay, trans, etc. Different upbringing and culture I guess.
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    (Original post by Just my opinion)
    My guess is Gays that think they deserve to by higher up the victim hierarchy than lesbians bisexuals transgenders and whoever the i's are, but I could be wrong, it has been known.
    Why are you a victim?
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    I find that as a whole you get people tend to be more accepting than the older generations as it has become accepted in society that not everyone is cis-het however there are obviously exceptions to this as some older people are completely accepting and many are lgbtq themselves and some people of younger generations are an absolute nightmare and seem to be incapable of respecting other people.
    I think younger generations are more accepting and are more comfortable with a variety of identities due to meeting other people who feel the same via the internet
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    (Original post by Ninja Squirrel)
    Lol that video... I think in the future there will be so many different options that people will just say "Hello everyone" or "hello all", you can't possibly offend anyone with those phrases.

    I think I could start getting out of hand though if people are allowed to keep inventing new terms to describe their chosen sexuality.
    I'm not sure 'chosen' is the right term for sexuality; people certainly don't make a decision in that regard. Personally I don't see any kind of issue with the number of terms increasing, as long as people are willing to offer an explanation about what their particular term means if they're asked.
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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    So paedophiles don't choose to become paedophiles. They are for born that way. As in paedophilia is natural. Interesting. What about cannabilism between two consenting adults? What about incest? etc etc etc

    Often people say that these different interpretations of sexuality don't hurt anyone. I beg to differ. This type of thinking will pave the way for the legalisation of many disastrous things in the future. This emphasises the importance of standing up to these behaviours and the ideologies promoting them.
    You're conflating choice in feeling with choice of action there. No, I don't think those people have a choice in how they feel, but yes, they do have a choice in whether they act on it. You don't have a choice in your sexuality, only in whether you choose follow it.

    We should stand up to damaging behaviours, yes, but LGBT+ are not damaging, where your examples are.
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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    So paedophiles don't choose to become paedophiles. They are for born that way. As in paedophilia is natural. Interesting. What about cannabilism between two consenting adults? What about incest? etc etc etc

    Often people say that these different interpretations of sexuality don't hurt anyone. I beg to differ. This type of thinking will pave the way for the legalisation of many disastrous things in the future. This emphasises the importance of standing up to these behaviours and the ideologies promoting them.
    Do you think paedophiles choose to be sexually attracted to children? We choose our actions, but we don’t control our feelings and urges.

    Paedophilia being acted on in any form (directly with a child or indirectly through porn) is absolutely wrong and should be severely punished. But it’s ignorant to say that they choose to be that way. You don’t select people and decide to be attracted to them.
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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    So paedophiles don't choose to become paedophiles. They are for born that way. As in paedophilia is natural. Interesting. What about cannabilism between two consenting adults? What about incest? etc etc etc

    Often people say that these different interpretations of sexuality don't hurt anyone. I beg to differ. This type of thinking will pave the way for the legalisation of many disastrous things in the future. This emphasises the importance of standing up to these behaviours and the ideologies promoting them.
    Paedophiles are born that way but given paedophilia can harm young children we say it is wrong and that it is illegal. Just because they are born that way doesn't mean it is right to act upon it if it harms another. Killers may also be born that way and start committing murders.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    Do you think paedophiles choose to be sexually attracted to children?
    Yes of course. Are you insinuating that they are born this way?

    (Original post by cat_mac)
    We choose our actions, but we don’t control our feelings and urges.
    That is not true. The one thing that distinguishes the human race from the animal kingdom is our ability to control our feelings. Let me give you a silly example. When an animal feels the need to urinate they urinate without consideration for their environment. When a human-being feels a need to urinate they can chose to suppress that feeling until a suitable time arises where they can oblige it.

    Now, human beings develop a variety of feelings. Some normal, natural, correct, others not. What defines which of our feelings are natural and which unnatural/wrong? Our reality. If our feelings do not conform with our reality they are deemed flawed. Let me give you an example. If I were to feel that the world was flat. Would that render it flat? no.

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    Paedophilia being acted on in any form (directly with a child or indirectly through porn) is absolutely wrong and should be severely punished. But it’s ignorant to say that they choose to be that way. You don’t select people and decide to be attracted to them.
    You do my friend. Our feelings are all subject to our experiences, our choices in life. I recently watched this programme about Aleister Crowley. He was this huge liberal pervert that lived in Britain in the 19th century. He carried similar beliefs to women from the women's rights movement of the time about sex. He felt that it should be tabooless. A priest in this programme summed up Crowley very beautifully. He said that Crowley was an individual who did so much sex that he became desensitised to normalcy in sex. He felt the need to pursue extremes just to be able to become aroused. Crowley wrote this in his diaries and his books. One of those extremes where paedophilia. So, yes paedophiles do indeed through their actions develop interests in children. They choose to become paeodphiles.
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    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    You're conflating choice in feeling with choice of action there.
    I did not. I purposely stopped short of action. I was merely referring to paedophilia, incest and cannibalism as feelings. According to your logic these feelings are natural. Hence, normal. This illogic paves the way for disasters in the future.

    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    but yes, they do have a choice in whether they act on it.
    By your definition these behaviours are normal. So why shouldn't they be allowed to act on them? If you say no to paedophilia, by your logic, you are denying these people their nature. Why discriminate? Now, you might say well because it hurts children but paedophiles can easily claim that they don't and that homosexuals can abuse and cause harm to each other too and so too any other forms of sexuality so why should they be denied their natural rights?

    As soon as you define these other forms of sexuality as being innate as apposed to unnatural, which is what they are, you pave the way for the justification and legalisation of every form of sexuality. Of course none of these sexualities other than heterosexuality are normal.

    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    You don't have a choice in your sexuality, only in whether you choose follow it.
    I agree one million percent. You don't have a choice in your sexuality, only in whether or not you choose to follow it. Your only option being heterosexuality.

    All other forms of sexuality are not agreeable with our biology. Our sexuality has to conform with our biology to be classified natural/correct/normal. LGBTQ+, none of these, conform with our biological reality. Hence, all are unnatural. In homosexuality between males for example, men in the relationship lack an orifice for the penis in their male partner. They cannot reproduce with each-other. They are biologically incompatible. Our biology does not conform with their feelings rendering their sexuality unnatural/wrong. How can one practice something that is unnatural? through choice influenced by nurture.

    A child does not develop sexually until puberty. The child is therefore not ready for intercourse before this time. Therefore, biology does not conform with nor accommodate for a paedophile's feelings. Hence, you cannot classify his/her sexuality as being innate because biology does not in any way shape or form accommodate for it. Biology renders this form of sexuality wrong.

    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    We should stand up to damaging behaviours, yes, but LGBT+ are not damaging, where your examples are.
    They are extremely damaging in that they pave the way for the legalisation of things such as paedophilia, cannibalism etc.

    They are extremely damaging in that they do not conform with our biological reality. They encourage biological incompatibility which negatively effects society in many ways e.g. maintaining the population of the human race. It encourages psychological disorders as apposed to treat them etc.
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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    You do my friend. Our feelings are all subject to our experiences, our choices in life. I recently watched this programme about Aleister Crowley. He was this huge liberal pervert that lived in Britain in the 19th century. He carried similar beliefs to feminists of the time about sex. He felt that it should be tabooless. A priest in this programme summed up Crowley very beautifully. He said that Crowley was an individual who did so much sex that he became desensitised to normalcy in sex. He felt the need to pursue extremes just to be able to become aroused. Crowley wrote this in his diaries and his books. One of those extremes where paedophilia. So, yes paedophiles do indeed through their actions develop interests in children. They choose to become paeodphiles. Another great example is that mother of feminism Simone De Beauvoir who wrote in her diaries of her lack in ability to become aroused from normal sex due to chronic exposure to perversions. So she found herself forced to pursue extremes just to be able to become aroused. One of those things was homosexuality and another was paedophilia.
    I don’t think it’s as simple as “born that way”. Like you said, we can control a feeling. But we can’t stop the feeling existing.

    You talk like all “natural” feelings are good? There isn’t such thing as natural feeling VS wrong feeling. We don’t choose how our brains work, we do choose what we do with them. We choose our actions, not our impulses. Whether or not the feelings are approved by society doesn’t stop them from existing.

    You’ve presented good and well thought out responses before so I know you’re not an idiot, but you are clearly uneducated about the psychology of paedophillia. We’re influenced by nature and nurture, but if it wasn’t “natural” this wouldn’t be such largely spread issue. If somehow people were unnaturally experiencing a feeling, how did it get in their head in the first place? Why has this happened throughout history all over the world?

    You can not agree with something and also try to understand it. If we just pretend the paedophiles are people who made bad decisions, that does absolutely nothing to protect children or prevent someone for becoming a danger to society.

    I’ll provide some links from a quick google if you’d like to be more educated on the issue:
    https://neuroanthropology.net/2010/0...pedophile/amp/
    “There is significant evidence that indicate structural abnormalities in the brains of pedophiles (Schiffer, 2008). Abnormalities occur when the brain is developing and can be on-set through certain experiences, such as sexual abuse as a child. Abnormalities in the brains of pedophiles may result in compulsion, poor judgment, and repetitive thoughts.

    These abnormalities in the brains of pedophiles are caused by early neurodevelopmental perturbations (Schiffer, 2008). The use of functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRIs) and positron emission tomography scans (PET) has revealed that the abnormalities of pedophiles exhibit appear in the frontal and central regions of the brain. In particular, there is a decreased volume of gray brain matter in the central striatum. As a result, the nucleus accumbens, orbital frontal cortex, and the cerebellum are all affected (Schiffer, 2008).”

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia

    https://theconversation.com/amp/psyc...children-59991
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    Do you think paedophiles choose to be sexually attracted to children? We choose our actions, but we don’t control our feelings and urges.

    Paedophilia being acted on in any form (directly with a child or indirectly through porn) is absolutely wrong and should be severely punished. But it’s ignorant to say that they choose to be that way. You don’t select people and decide to be attracted to them.
    (Original post by cat_mac)
    I don’t think it’s as simple as “born that way”. Like you said, we can control a feeling. But we can’t stop the feeling existing.

    You talk like all “natural” feelings are good? There isn’t such thing as natural feeling VS wrong feeling. We don’t choose how our brains work, we do choose what we do with them. We choose our actions, not our impulses. Whether or not the feelings are approved by society doesn’t stop them from existing.

    You’ve presented good and well thought out responses before so I know you’re not an idiot, but you are clearly uneducated about the psychology of paedophillia. We’re influenced by nature and nurture, but if it wasn’t “natural” this wouldn’t be such largely spread issue. If somehow people were unnaturally experiencing a feeling, how did it get in their head in the first place? Why has this happened throughout history all over the world?

    You can not agree with something and also try to understand it. If we just pretend the paedophiles are people who made bad decisions, that does absolutely nothing to protect children or prevent someone for becoming a danger to society.

    I’ll provide some links from a quick google if you’d like to be more educated on the issue:
    https://neuroanthropology.net/2010/0...pedophile/amp/
    “There is significant evidence that indicate structural abnormalities in the brains of pedophiles (Schiffer, 2008). Abnormalities occur when the brain is developing and can be on-set through certain experiences, such as sexual abuse as a child. Abnormalities in the brains of pedophiles may result in compulsion, poor judgment, and repetitive thoughts.

    These abnormalities in the brains of pedophiles are caused by early neurodevelopmental perturbations (Schiffer, 2008). The use of functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRIs) and positron emission tomography scans (PET) has revealed that the abnormalities of pedophiles exhibit appear in the frontal and central regions of the brain. In particular, there is a decreased volume of gray brain matter in the central striatum. As a result, the nucleus accumbens, orbital frontal cortex, and the cerebellum are all affected (Schiffer, 2008).”

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia

    https://theconversation.com/amp/psyc...children-59991
    I'm not a big fan of the whole "educate yourself" forum schtick. It's kind of a weasel tactic on internet forum.

    What are you saying here? That paedophiles are a special class of sex offender, or that they aren't?

    A "regular" sex offender might be a person who has entirely normal sexual impulses, but chooses to commit crimes.

    Are you saying that a persons attractions and sexual preferences are entirely unconcious - i.e. he/she has no control over what those are?
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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    I did not. I purposely stopped short of action. I was merely referring to paedophilia, incest and cannibalism as feelings. According to your logic these feelings are natural. Hence, normal. This illogic paves the way for disasters in the future.

    By your definition these behaviours are normal. So why shouldn't they be allowed to act on them? If you say no to paedophilia, by your logic, you are denying these people their nature. Why discriminate? Now, you might say well because it hurts children but paedophiles can easily claim that they don't and that homosexuals can abuse and cause harm to each other too and so too any other form of sexuality so why should they be denied their natural rights?
    Because acting on your examples inherently causes harm; yes, they could state otherwise, but that would simply be a falsehood, backed up by no evidence. People who are LGBT+ however, can make the same claim that it doesn't cause harm, but they have the difference of being backed up by both sound logic, and by hard scientific evidence. Now, I have no doubt you'll try and claim otherwise, but unless you can provide sound and unbiased evidence to support that, then you can't perpetuate the idea that your examples don't cause harm, nor that LGBT+ people do.

    Yes, homosexuals can abuse and cause harm to each other, but unlike the examples you gave, that's not an inherent attribute of homosexuality; it's a behaviour entirely unrelated to it, in fact. Unless you're arguing that we should also ban heterosexuality, given that people abuse and harm within that too?

    (Original post by CookieButter)
    As soon as you define these other forms of sexuality as being innate as apposed to unnatural, which is what they are, you pave the way for the justification and legalisation of every form of sexuality. Of course none of these sexualities other than heterosexuality are normal.

    I agree one million percent. You don't have a choice in your sexuality, only in whether or not you choose to follow it. Your only option being heterosexuality.

    All other forms of sexuality are not agreeable with our biology. Our sexuality has to conform with our biology to be classified natural/correct/normal. LGBTQ+, none of these, conform with our biological reality. Hence, all are unnatural. In homosexuality between males for example, men in the relationship lack an orifice for the penis in their male partner. They cannot reproduce with each-other. They are biologically incompatible. Our biology does not conform with their feelings rendering their sexuality unnatural/wrong. How can one practice something that is unnatural? through choice influenced by nurture.

    A child does not develop sexually until puberty. The child is therefore not ready for intercourse before this time. Therefore, biology does not conform with nor accommodate for a paedophile's feelings. Hence, you cannot classify his/her sexuality as being innate because biology does not in any way shape or form accommodate for it. Biology renders this form of sexuality wrong.
    Again, the emphasis being on natural and not causing harm. Homosexuality isn't purely okay because it's natural, as I've outlined above. Extending this, it will only pave the way for other sexualities that don't cause harm. By which logic, it's not really an issue if they're justified, assuming they follow the same pattern. Again, this isn't going to lead to every sexuality being acceptable, as you state.

    Through being biological determined, and the fact that homosexuality is found in nature, it is natural by definition. Also, without putting to fine a point on it, there is an orifice with two males, though granted, not a reproductive one. Regardless, as I started before, biology both causes it, and defines it as natural, so I disagree with the points you made there.

    No-one is arguing that paedophilia isn't wrong, and especially not acting on it. The feeling themselves are inherent in the person, in my view, but that's not the same as them being okay. I'd also argue, personally, that it's not a sexuality in itself, but a class within it; regardless, it's not the same as homosexuality, and unless you can make a solid argument that it's anywhere close to that, I would highly recommend taking a different avenue of argument here.

    I've addressed your final point here already too, so please excuse if I don't quote it here, I don't see the benefit in repeating the same points again.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    I'm not a big fan of the whole "educate yourself" forum schtick. It's kind of a weasel tactic on internet forum.

    What are you saying here? That paedophiles are a special class of sex offender, or that they aren't?

    A "regular" sex offender might be a person who has entirely normal sexual impulses, but chooses to commit crimes.

    Are you saying that a persons attractions and sexual preferences are entirely unconcious - i.e. he/she has no control over what those are?
    Cookie Butter was saying that paedophiles choose to be paedophiles, my point was that they choose their actions, but they don’t choose to be sexually attracted to children.

    Just like everyone else, paedophiles have control over their actions, but I don’t believe that they woke up one day and thought “today i’m going to choose to be sexually attracted to little jimmy next door”. Just like if you see a girl you aren’t attracted to, you can’t just choose to want to have sex with her. If you see someone you think is ugly, you can’t just concentrate real hard and make them attractive to you.

    There’s a lot of study that has been done into the physical differences in the brain of paedophiles, and the effects of nature and nurture that contribute to them having those feelings. I wasn’t trying to weasel tactic, I just think people are more likely to believe legit professional research than me!

    But yes, I’m saying that our feelings of attraction aren’t choices. How we act on them is a different story.
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    (Original post by janjannie)
    How do different generations perceive and act towards the GLBTI group?
    Search #peaktrans on twitter.

    I for one am seeing them as the homophobic, misogynistic, authoritarian, gaslighting bigoted regressive left that they are.

    Identity politics is made by snowflakes and narcissists that need a way to force people to give them acknowledgement and validation.
 
 
 
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