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    M471 - Taiwan recognition motion, Connor27This house believes that Her Majesty’s Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs should instruct the diplomatic service to establish an embassy and diplomatic relations with the government of the Republic of China (Taiwan.)

    This house also condemns the actions of successive governments of the People’s’ Republic of China for their continued hostility towards Taiwan, and imposition of trade embargoes upon any country that attempts to trade and/or establish relations with Taiwan.
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    I agree with this motion, aye.
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    I love Taiwan, but the political ramifications this motion would cause would be huge. Abstain for now.
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    Mr Speaker,

    Taiwan is a province of the People's Republic of China. We have no businesses to be intervening in the internal affairs of the People's Republic of China by encouraging Taiwanese independence.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    Mr Speaker,

    Taiwan is a province of the People's Republic of China. We have no businesses to be intervening in the internal affairs of the People's Republic of China by encouraging Taiwanese independence.
    This is quite frankly a lie, the Peoples’ Republic of China doesn’t, and never has, maintained a presence of any kind on the island of Taiwan since it was formed by Mao Zedong in 1945.

    Taiwan has always been governed by the previous Chinese Government, the liberal capitalist Republic of China.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    Mr Speaker,

    Taiwan is a province of the People's Republic of China. We have no businesses to be intervening in the internal affairs of the People's Republic of China by encouraging Taiwanese independence.
    So you believe a socialist state should have control over an independent state it has never had a direct influence in? And you call yourself right wing.
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    We already have something like an embassy that promotes relations in Taiwan.
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    Can someone tell me what this motion wants to do? Because what it is asking for already exists.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    Mr Speaker,

    Taiwan is a province of the People's Republic of China. We have no businesses to be intervening in the internal affairs of the People's Republic of China by encouraging Taiwanese independence.
    It's not a province of China, that's just false.
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    Abstain.

    As a wealthy, liberal democracy i greatly believe in enhanced ties between ourselves and the Asian Tigers however as a pragmatist we must accept that China has too much leverage over us both economically and diplomatically to publicly slight them.

    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Can someone tell me what this motion wants to do? Because what it is asking for already exists.
    China does not recognise the sovereignty of Taiwan (fortunately China was poor when the rich fled), therefore this motion asks that you piss off China by allowing our media to video your support for Taiwan.

    "The UK does not recognise Taiwan as a state and has no diplomatic relations withTaiwan, so limited consular services are available to British nationals."

    My strong advise is that you Abstain.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    This is quite frankly a lie, the Peoples’ Republic of China doesn’t, and never has, maintained a presence of any kind on the island of Taiwan since it was formed by Mao Zedong in 1945.

    Taiwan has always been governed by the previous Chinese Government, the liberal capitalist Republic of China.
    The 1992 Consensus adheres to the "One China principle". There is no separate sovereign state of "Taiwan", as it is a province of China. The People's Republic of China has simply allowed an alternate form of governance for the province of Taiwan.

    By the way, the People's Republic of China was founded in 1949.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So you believe a socialist state should have control over an independent state it has never had a direct influence in? And you call yourself right wing.
    What I said about Taiwan province being a part of the People's Republic of China does not insinuate that a socialist state should have control over an independent state. I am right-wing.
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    Mr Speaker

    We should not be condemning China it will ruin our relations with them. China are the UK's 4th largest importers and 8th largest for exports. I agree with Rakas that they have too much leveraged over us. A Nay from me.
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    I am conflicted on this based upon the previous replies. On the one hand, I sympathise with the interests of Taiwan and would easily vote in favour if other matters were not under consideration here. However, we all wish to make trade deals across the world once outside of the EU's protectionism. China is an important and useful ally in that regard. It comes down to a question of whether pragmatism or idealism is better in foreign policy, as offending China could hurt our interests in the coming years. I am leaning towards abstaining unless somebody can convince me I should vote either way.
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    Abstain – if big mama China says Taiwan is not a sovereign, country and big mama China has so much leverage over us, then I'm not gonna support pissing her off. These kinds of things happen behind-the-scenes for a reason ygm? Although I think it should be recognised, personally, the repercussions of slighting China could be really bad.
 
 
 
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