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    (Original post by mariachi)
    why are you implying that Muslims are uncultured ?

    more seriously : everyone has a culture, including Muslims. Is there an Islamic "culture" ?

    of course there is. Food and dress prescriptions, marriage taboos, inheritance rules, etc etc are all part of what is considered a "culture" and apply to most (if not all) Muslims. Next to that, there are of course more specific ethnic or national cultures, which mix with Islam to produce hybrids that you can call "Turkish Islam" "UK Islam" or "Western European Islam", "US Islam" etc etc

    simply repeating endlessly "there is one Islam only" makes little sense : just like Christianity, Buddhism, or even Socialism, Liberalism etc there are next to infinite brands of these ideologies/religions, which have common elements, but also important differences

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    Peace be with you, Mariachi

    I said Muslims and culture does not bond together. Muslim is an identity that is given to an individual who believes in the religion of Islam. Technically it would not make sense otherwise as to amalgamate the two together considering that their are both separate elements to another.

    In Islam, culture is not recognised as Islamic culture or Muslim culture, rather it is established by ones nationality or background. So Indian culture, Bangladeshi culture, Pakistani, Culture, Indonesian Culture and so forth.
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    What makes you think that people who want civil partnerships don't want commitment?
    I’m just listing reasons/excuses people who want to get married might give. This isn’t my personal opinion.
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    I said Muslims and culture does not bond together (...) it would not make sense otherwise as to amalgamate the two together considering that their are both separate elements to another.
    what you are saying is : Muslims and culture are not mixing because they are separate. Which is more or less the same as saying "A is not B because it is A"

    as I said, our religions are part of our cultures. Religious practices, prescriptions and prohibitions contribute to our overall cultural identity.

    My preferred definition for "culture" is "everything which is transmitted via social interaction" : this of course applies also to religion

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    what you are saying is : Muslims and culture are not mixing because they are separate. Which is more or less the same as saying "A is not B because it is A"

    as I said, our religions are part of cultures. Religious practices, prescriptions and prohibitions contribute to our overall cultural identity.

    My preferred definition for "culture" is "everything which is transmitted via social interaction"

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    Right, its not mixing because there is no such thing as Muslim culture as I have explained previously.

    Religious is more inculcated with personal beliefs, therefore thats got to do with the individual and Allah itself.

    Yes, social interaction that can occur within a variety of religions however that does not imply that culture is also intertwined into that at the same time.
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    Sometimes i do think maybe no one would want to marry me
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    there is no such thing as Muslim culture as I have explained previously.
    as I have explained previously, there is such a thing as Muslim culture, since Muslims follow many common prescriptions, prohibitions and practices

    as I said : food prohibitions, dress code, marriage taboos, inheritance etc but also respect for religious texts and practices etc : Muslims have many differences, but also many common elements, and these are part of a common Muslim or Islamic culture, which is then experienced and developed in many different ways

    I have said many times "there is not one Islam : there are many Islams". This, however is just an intellectual provocation. Of course that there is a common core of beliefs and practices, and this can be called "Islamic culture" or, simply "Islam" (as one prefers)

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    as I have explained previously, there is such a thing as Muslim culture, since Muslims follow many common prescriptions, prohibitions and practices

    as I said : food prohibitions, dress code, marriage taboos, inheritance etc but also respect for religious texts and practices etc : Muslims have many differences, but also many common elements, and these are part of a common Muslim or Islamic culture, which is then experienced and developed in many different ways

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    Thank you Mariachi.

    Have a great evening and do take care. .
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    (Original post by masudibrahim99)
    You know what i dont understand? If you are so free of this religion you deem horrible, why are you here? Why are you concerning yourself?
    Oh and we can go through your arguments point by point if you so please. Starting with one, its a cultural way of thinking and has nothing to do with Islam as we are permitted to marry even Jews and Christians that then destroys point number two also
    Because I still have an opinion lol. Just because I'm free doesn't mean I stopped having an opinion on it. And the truth needs to be told.

    MEN are allowed to marry Christians and Jews. So it's still backwards because it's still limiting who you are allowed to marry based on religion and it's also sexist because Muslim women can only marry Muslim men. So in fact you've just further proved my point that the religion is backwards so thank you for doing my work for me :laugh:
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    (Original post by SugarBubbles2000)
    My parents are a good example of that :// *shotsfired*
    So are my grandparents.

    My parents are a whole other nightmare caused by the intolerance of that religion.
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    Anything including religion being backwards is an opinionated matter tbh. As for what you said Muslim women are held amongst the highest regard. A common saying of the Prophet saw, which if you're as well versed in Islam as you say you are you should be aware of is, The doors to paradise are at your mothers feet. My question to you is are mothers men or women?
    Them being the key to what is a Muslims ultimate goal, does that propel or lower them in status?
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    Because I still have an opinion lol. Just because I'm free doesn't mean I stopped having an opinion on it. And the truth needs to be told.

    MEN are allowed to marry Christians and Jews. So it's still backwards because it's still limiting who you are allowed to marry based on religion and it's also sexist because Muslim women can only marry Muslim men. So in fact you've just further proved my point that the religion is backwards so thank you for doing my work for me :laugh:
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    (Original post by justanotherchica)
    my sister was 17 when she got married.. the guy she married was the brother of some girls she new at school and they "recommended" her and she almost refused but then she met him and couldn't resist him.
    I'm 17 and I've never had a proper proposal but some people have expressed interests in me and ask my mum about me to see if I'm available. I dont know how it works in other cultures but in Indian culture generally girls start getting proposals at my age and if you're studying still or something our parents will tell them that they're still studying and will be available after 18 or 21 or something like that.
    It's a very word of mouth thing, just a bunch of mums and aunties and grandmothers judging young girls to see how pretty they are and how suitable they are for their son.

    anyways it's stupid.
    Would u personally get arranged marriaged or would u wanna pick who u want to marry
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Because I still have an opinion lol. Just because I'm free doesn't mean I stopped having an opinion on it. And the truth needs to be told.

    MEN are allowed to marry Christians and Jews. So it's still backwards because it's still limiting who you are allowed to marry based on religion and it's also sexist because Muslim women can only marry Muslim men. So in fact you've just further proved my point that the religion is backwards so thank you for doing my work for me :laugh:
    I will be addressing your point, however it is quite extensive. I would also like to address that there is a clear reasoning behind why Muslim women are not allowed to marry a christian or a jew, and a man is permitted to do so.

    No, it has nothing to do with Islam being backwards by the ways. Far from it.

    Thank you. .
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    (Original post by Tosspot)
    This site makes me wish I had studied sociology.

    Not an expert or anything, but here's a few ideas.

    Ideologies can totally be a part of culture, even though there are variations on an ideology there will be core tenants that would be shared by all subscribers to that ideology and so will be a major part of the overall culture of the followers of said ideology. For example communists/ marxists all believe that the means of production should be publicly owned, so they will have some sort of aversion to private enterprise regardless of nationality or branch of marxism.

    However, culture is an umbrella term and so the general traits ascribed to that culture won't be true of all the subcultures, communities and individuals within it. So it's more useful to specify the subcultures or communities (random example would be Malaysian muslim culture) rather than ascribe a trait to the overarching culture as a whole.
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    I agree entirely with what you wrote. We use labels such as "Communism" "Christianity" "Islam" which cover vastly different sets of ideas and which have been implemented in practice in different ways

    we are obliged to use labels (generalisations) because it would be impossible to specify in detail what each and every Communist, Muslim etc actually believes and does... so, the point is simply : are our generalisations (labels) useful or useless ?

    since being a Communist (or a Muslim etc) does describe a rather significant set of common beliefs and practices, it is useful using such labels when we are discussing politics, or religion; it would be absurd to use them when discussing trigonometry, or tennis

    so, yes, there is such a thing as Communist or Muslim, or Christian culture : even if we can be more precise, and speak of Spanish Islam, Nestorian Christianity, or Russian Marxism etc or Italian Islamic culture, or even Sicilian Islamic culture, Menshevik culture etc etc

    it's very much a matter of definitions

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    (Original post by Tosspot)
    This site makes me wish I had studied sociology.

    Not an expert or anything, but here's a few ideas.

    Ideologies can totally be a part of culture, even though there are variations on an ideology there will be core tenants that would be shared by all subscribers to that ideology and so will be a major part of the overall culture of the followers of said ideology. For example communists/ marxists all believe that the means of production should be publicly owned, so they will have some sort of aversion to private enterprise regardless of nationality or branch of marxism.

    However, culture is an umbrella term and so the general traits ascribed to that culture won't be true of all the subcultures, communities and individuals within it. So it's more useful to specify the subcultures or communities (random example would be Malaysian muslim culture) rather than ascribe a trait to the overarching culture as a whole.
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    (Original post by masudibrahim99)
    its a cultural way of thinking and has nothing to do with Islam as we are permitted to marry even Jews and Christians that then destroys point number two also
    well, why not marry a Buddhist, or a Jain ?

    also : in Islam, only Muslim men can marry Jewish or Christian women. Muslim women cannot marry outside of Islam (and have in any case to ask permission from their wali - i.e. guardian - even if marrying a Muslim)

    this is typical archaic tribal culture : we can have your women, but you can't have ours...

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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    I will be addressing your point, however it is quite extensive. I would also like to address that there is a clear reasoning behind why Muslim women are not allowed to marry a christian or a jew, and a man is permitted to do so.

    No, it has nothing to do with Islam being backwards by the ways. Far from it.

    Thank you. .
    its because the children will take on the religion of the man but this isnt the case so its still sexist lol
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    (Original post by masudibrahim99)
    Anything including religion being backwards is an opinionated matter tbh. As for what you said Muslim women are held amongst the highest regard. A common saying of the Prophet saw, which if you're as well versed in Islam as you say you are you should be aware of is, The doors to paradise are at your mothers feet. My question to you is are mothers men or women?
    Them being the key to what is a Muslims ultimate goal, does that propel or lower them in status?
    And yet Muhammad said that most of the inhabitants of hell will be women because they’re ungrateful and deficient in intellect and religious commitment. How respectful of women! :lol:
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    I will be addressing your point, however it is quite extensive. I would also like to address that there is a clear reasoning behind why Muslim women are not allowed to marry a christian or a jew, and a man is permitted to do so.

    No, it has nothing to do with Islam being backwards by the ways. Far from it.

    Thank you. .
    The fact that you've said there's a clear reasoning but you haven't stated it kinda implies to me that there isn't one. And I guarantee that whatever reasoning you come up with will be complete bs.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    The fact that you've said there's a clear reasoning but you haven't stated it kinda implies to me that there isn't one. And I guarantee that whatever reasoning you come up with will be complete bs.
    its because the children will take the religion of the man (muslim) and if the woman married a non muslim she would most likely not be a muslim


    ^ still sexist lol but its what muslims believe
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    The fact that you've said there's a clear reasoning but you haven't stated it kinda implies to me that there isn't one. And I guarantee that whatever reasoning you come up with will be complete bs.
    Not at all. If you have not realised I do not use the internet to look up answers. I have my own authentic resources as to which I use and for the purpose of explanation on here, it is time consuming hence why I said you will be given your answer shortly InshaAllah.(God-willing).
 
 
 
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