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...what does it actually mean to be a "man" or a "woman"?

I'm a guy and if I say I want to be a "woman", what do I exactly mean by that?
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Gender and sex are the same thing and the sole determinator of who belongs to which is the type of reproductive system one possesses.

Of course many will shout that they have made up genders, such as 'non-binary' in that they haven't yet reached maturity to be able to determine what they feel like (other than feeling like pissing off everyone around them), genders such as 'apache helicopter' in that they are rebellious counterculture basement kids who make fun out of logical loopholes and other genders such as androgynous which means your male member is too small for you to comfortably identify as male.

It's the 21st century. Feelings > Facts.

You can have one trouser snake, one taco or one brain cell.
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Gender and sex are the same thing and the sole determinator of who belongs to which is the type of reproductive system one possesses.

Of course many will shout that they have made up genders, such as 'non-binary' in that they haven't yet reached maturity to be able to determine what they feel like (other than feeling like pissing off everyone around them), genders such as 'apache helicopter' in that they are rebellious counterculture basement kids who make fun out of logical loopholes and other genders such as androgynous which means your male member is too small for you to comfortably identify as male.

It's the 21st century. Feelings > Facts.

You can have one trouser snake, one taco or one brain cell.
dude idc - im assuming gender is a social construct for the sake of discussion
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dude idc - im assuming gender is a social construct for the sake of discussion
I am refuting your bizarre assumption as impossible.
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Gender and sex are the same thing and the sole determinator of who belongs to which is the type of reproductive system one possesses.

Of course many will shout that they have made up genders, such as 'non-binary' in that they haven't yet reached maturity to be able to determine what they feel like (other than feeling like pissing off everyone around them), genders such as 'apache helicopter' in that they are rebellious counterculture basement kids who make fun out of logical loopholes and other genders such as androgynous which means your male member is too small for you to comfortably identify as male.

It's the 21st century. Feelings > Facts.

You can have one trouser snake, one taco or one brain cell.
You must be happy with that given you've not posted anything close to a fact in that ill-informed diatribe...

The argument for gender being a social construct is based around gender roles and the notion than men/women must act a particular way; not on gender identity, where a neurobiological element appears to be involved.
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Gender roles are a social construct (to a large extent), gender itself is not.
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(Original post by angelike1)
...what does it actually mean to be a "man" or a "woman"?

I'm a guy and if I say I want to be a "woman", what do I exactly mean by that?
You mean you want to be a member of the female sex who has surpassed the age of 18.
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(Original post by howitoughttobe)
Gender roles are a social construct (to a large extent), gender itself is not.
They are, however, also informed by biology.
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^ This has already been mostly said.
How I understand it:
Sex is the biological classification (not really construct)
Gender, in the sense of the connotations of being a member of that gender, is a construct.
To be a "man" you share physical traits and characteristics common to that of other "men" in your society.
To be a "woman" you share physical traits and characteristics common to that of other "woman" in your society.
It doesn't really matter tbh, social constructs are just ways societies makes sense of a perceived phenomenon. They're not strict rules, more of a generalisation and are prone to change and adapt along with the society that created them.
No idea if this helped or not, good luck with getting a sufficient understanding.
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(Original post by Tosspot)
^ This has already been mostly said.
How I understand it:
Sex is the biological classification (not really construct)
Gender, in the sense of the connotations of being a member of that gender, is a construct.
To be a "man" you share physical traits and characteristics common to that of other "men" in your society.
To be a "woman" you share physical traits and characteristics common to that of other "woman" in your society.
It doesn't really matter tbh, social constructs are just ways societies makes sense of a perceived phenomenon. They're not strict rules, more of a generalisation and are prone to change and adapt along with the society that created them.
No idea if this helped or not, good luck with getting a sufficient understanding.
No, gender is not socially constructed because gender roles are a result of innate characteristics of the male or female sex.
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No, gender is not socially constructed because gender roles are a result of innate characteristics of the male or female sex.
TL;DR - Sex is a massive factor, but environment can influence societal views of the two sexes. Apologies if I'm conflating gender and gender roles, I'm am ****posting biologist not a sociologist.

True that gender is influenced and primarily based on sex, it's why gender roles developed the way they did regardless of society (e.g the fact that women were always primarily mothers/homemakers rather than bread winners historically).
However from society to society things like gender roles and expectations do vary, primarily as a result of societal and environmental factors such as religion and the severity of the climate.
E.g in orthodox islamic countries women are perceived as an innately sexual division of society hence the veils and the expectations of being a homemaker, while in extreme climates (e.g arid or near barren climates) the need for women to be say hunters to provide for the family alongside the males may be present due to extra hunters being needed.
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You must be happy with that given you've not posted anything close to a fact in that ill-informed diatribe...

The argument for gender being a social construct is based around gender roles and the notion than men/women must act a particular way; not on gender identity, where a neurobiological element appears to be involved.
I get it, I offended you because you have an identity crisis/multiple personality disorder.

It'll sort itself out over time. Probably.
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If you are a man and you feel convinced you're a woman, that doesn't mean you literally are a woman. You are just a man who feels like a woman... Like that song...

"Man! I feel like a woman!" DUN DUN DUH-DAHHH DUH DAH!
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I get it, I offended you because you have an identity crisis/multiple personality disorder.

It'll sort itself out over time. Probably.
Don't know why you think you've offended me... You were simply flat out wrong.
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Don't know why you think you've offended me... You were simply flat out wrong.
Pseudoscience is not fact.
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...what does it actually mean to be a "man" or a "woman"?
XY chromosome, that's a man. XX chromosome, that's a woman. It's that simple and clear cut.

Anythings else is subjective, biased politically motivated, irrational, illogical, absurd, social 'science' gibberish.

[Caveat: Anyone daring to spout ridiculously rare outliers beyond six sigma on a standard bell chart, "well what about...", well yes, some people are born with six fingers on each hand. So what, they are insignificant outliers.]
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Gender roles are a social construct (to a large extent), gender itself is not.
Sure but those roles are a result of biological inclinations not due to the fact that a group of nameless faceless people decided that how it 'should be'.
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Pseudoscience is not fact.
Indeed it isn't. Fortunately, neurobiology isn't a psuedoscience.
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Sure but those roles are a result of biological inclinations not due to the fact that a group of nameless faceless people decided that how it 'should be'.
That's why I said "to a large extent". Because they were created by society but as a reaction to biological instincts.
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