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I need some advice please! I have one conditional offer to read Law at Bristol given that I meet their AAA/A criteria and have made it my firm choice. However I've unexpectedly missed the mark by one grade and ended up with an AAB/B instead. I'm now super worried because Bristol's my only offer and I don't have any insurance choice (rejected by the rest)

1) Which department should I send my results to?

2) Should I provide an explanation/statement to "persuade" Bristol to give me a chance or would that just make things even worst?

3) What are my chances of getting in despite missing the required grades?

4) Should the worst really occur and I end up getting rejected, will I still stand a chance via UCAS Extra/Clearing to read Law at unis like Warwick, Nottingham, Brimmingham, Queen Mary?

Really at a lost now, very much devastated and worried that my dream of becoming a lawyer is going to get crushed. I understand that there are other UK unis with lower requirements where I can get get a law degree from. However, unfortunately I'm an international student and the country I reside in only recognizes a small handful of U.K. Universities whereby graduates are then allowed to practice Law, hence my choices are really limited.

I would very much appreciate if anyone could give me some tips. Thanks for taking the time to read through my lengthy message
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Beg, plead, persuade.

It does depend on the cohort and year, but usually RG universities would still admit if you missed one grade.

People can come out of the woodwork to tell me I'm wrong, and I'm aware university admin sometimes lurk these forums, but I knew people at UCL, KCL, LSE and indeed Bristol who missed their AAA offers and had AAB. Indeed 10 years ago when I was admitted for law and the offers had recently been bumped up to AAA, I knew people at all the aforementioned universities with ABB reading law. I remember that bitterly since I had 4As and Bristol turned me down for my poorer LNAT score (!)

I think universities often allocate a certain number of spots for students and decide internally what sort of slippage they are prepared to allow based on the offer numbers they have handed out.

I would beg them passionately, say you don't know what happened, you missed the mark very, very narrowly indeed, you're looking to appeal, have gone to a terrible comp where the teacher was off on maternity or whatever but did your best and your commitment to a law degree at Bristol is 110% etc.

No one can assess chances of clearing since that also depends on discretion, application numbers and offers given etc. It's a numbers game rather than assessing you purely on your merits.

Best of luck
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Beg, plead, persuade.

It does depend on the cohort and year, but usually RG universities would still admit if you missed one grade.

People can come out of the woodwork to tell me I'm wrong, and I'm aware university admin sometimes lurk these forums, but I knew people at UCL, KCL, LSE and indeed Bristol who missed their AAA offers and had AAB. Indeed 10 years ago when I was admitted for law and the offers had recently been bumped up to AAA, I knew people at all the aforementioned universities with ABB reading law. I remember that bitterly since I had 4As and Bristol turned me down for my poorer LNAT score (!)

I think universities often allocate a certain number of spots for students and decide internally what sort of slippage they are prepared to allow based on the offer numbers they have handed out.

I would beg them passionately, say you don't know what happened, you missed the mark very, very narrowly indeed, you're looking to appeal, have gone to a terrible comp where the teacher was off on maternity or whatever but did your best and your commitment to a law degree at Bristol is 110% etc.

No one can assess chances of clearing since that also depends on discretion, application numbers and offers given etc. It's a numbers game rather than assessing you purely on your merits.

Best of luck
Ah okay thank you so much! I'm going to try my very best to make a convincing argument and pray that they would be willing to give me a chance to persue my dreams of becoming a lawyer :crossedf:

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Ah okay thank you so much! I'm going to try my very best to make a convincing argument and pray that they would be willing to give me a chance to persue my dreams of becoming a lawyer :crossedf:

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I'm not sure that the legal profession is propelled by prayer. Now is your moment to construct a water-tight rationale for them to accept you.
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Bristol. Odds are against you.

Others. Decent chance.
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(Original post by Chloe.D)
I need some advice please! I have one conditional offer to read Law at Bristol given that I meet their AAA/A criteria and have made it my firm choice. However I've unexpectedly missed the mark by one grade and ended up with an AAB/B instead. I'm now super worried because Bristol's my only offer and I don't have any insurance choice (rejected by the rest)

1) Which department should I send my results to?

2) Should I provide an explanation/statement to "persuade" Bristol to give me a chance or would that just make things even worst?

3) What are my chances of getting in despite missing the required grades?

4) Should the worst really occur and I end up getting rejected, will I still stand a chance via UCAS Extra/Clearing to read Law at unis like Warwick, Nottingham, Brimmingham, Queen Mary?

Really at a lost now, very much devastated and worried that my dream of becoming a lawyer is going to get crushed. I understand that there are other UK unis with lower requirements where I can get get a law degree from. However, unfortunately I'm an international student and the country I reside in only recognizes a small handful of U.K. Universities whereby graduates are then allowed to practice Law, hence my choices are really limited.

I would very much appreciate if anyone could give me some tips. Thanks for taking the time to read through my lengthy message
Depends on how much you missed your grade(s) by, could you get them remarked?
Otherwise just send emails and plead persistently- wouldn't hurt to call them (tho don't overdo it!)

I v narrowly missed my offer to do law at Cambridge last summer (and though the system's slightly different because you get 'fished' out by another college within the same university), I sent a lot of emails pleading them to take me still, explaining my circumstances and dedication to study law/ readings I've done over Summer- and got fished out by another college in the end- with a B in Maths and a (very low) C in Bio. So yeah, everything is possible- best of luck!
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(Original post by Chloe.D)
I need some advice please! I have one conditional offer to read Law at Bristol given that I meet their AAA/A criteria and have made it my firm choice. However I've unexpectedly missed the mark by one grade and ended up with an AAB/B instead. I'm now super worried because Bristol's my only offer and I don't have any insurance choice (rejected by the rest)

1) Which department should I send my results to?

2) Should I provide an explanation/statement to "persuade" Bristol to give me a chance or would that just make things even worst?

3) What are my chances of getting in despite missing the required grades?

4) Should the worst really occur and I end up getting rejected, will I still stand a chance via UCAS Extra/Clearing to read Law at unis like Warwick, Nottingham, Brimmingham, Queen Mary?

Really at a lost now, very much devastated and worried that my dream of becoming a lawyer is going to get crushed. I understand that there are other UK unis with lower requirements where I can get get a law degree from. However, unfortunately I'm an international student and the country I reside in only recognizes a small handful of U.K. Universities whereby graduates are then allowed to practice Law, hence my choices are really limited.

I would very much appreciate if anyone could give me some tips. Thanks for taking the time to read through my lengthy message
Freedom of Information requests can help out massively here. Post an FOI request at https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/, asking for the average number of students taken in by Bristol for the LLB (M100) course in the past, say, five years.

After that, do something similar to what the previous posters said. The fact that you firmed Bristol in the first place looks good - it's a sign of commitment. Some universities track attendance on offer holder days (yet another sign of interest from the applicant), so having gone to their Law offer day thing will have been a positive.

Even the most competitive unis in this country will allow people with narrow misses (or 'technical misses' like getting A*A*C instead of AAA) to enter their course. I have stats for UCL/KCL showing that anywhere from 15-35+ annually people are let into their LLBs having missed their grades. You have a chance.

I'm not sure about the process of UCAS Extra, but I think that you'd have to withdraw from your Bristol offer to be able to enter it. This is a problem, as they'll only likely confirm your place in August, when UK A-level results are out. If you wait until then, the good RGs in Extra or Clearing, like QMUL or Warwick, will have long filled up their additional places, and you'll be forced to go down into 'Unrecognisable Uni #89' territory. So you don't really have much of a backup. Check how the process works either way.
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Update, did you get in? What did you say to convince them?
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I have stats for UCL/KCL showing that anywhere from 15-35+ annually people are let into their LLBs having missed their grades
Please provide them.
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Please provide them.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...utgoing-723484

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...coming-1093066

HTH.
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Look at the figures. UCL are taking 6 in one year, 4 most recently, and in between it's in the 30s. It seems much more likely that batches of students experienced extraordinary circumstances, probably internationals going through exam cockups, than that the admissions tutors had a fit of generosity in those years. This probably applies equally at different times to all the top universities. I am making a detailed FOI for all of them after August so perhaps more informed discussion will be possible then.
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Look at the figures. UCL are taking 4 in one year, 6 in another, in between it's in the 30s. It seems much more likely that batches of students experienced extraordinary circumstances in these years, probably internationals going through exam cockups, than that the admissions tutors had a fit of generosity in those years. This probably applies equally at different times to all the top universities. I am making a detailed FOI for all of them after August so perhaps more informed discussion will be possible then.
John did a more detailed one, but cba to link.
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Look at the figures. UCL are taking 6 in one year, 4 most recently, and in between it's in the 30s. It seems much more likely that batches of students experienced extraordinary circumstances, probably internationals going through exam cockups, than that the admissions tutors had a fit of generosity in those years. This probably applies equally at different times to all the top universities. I am making a detailed FOI for all of them after August so perhaps more informed discussion will be possible then.
It's kinda cute to have someone stand up for UCL for once. I guess you're going through the usual first-year 'my uni is the beesst and don't you DARE insult it' phase.

Given that this thread has been bumped, I might as well link the Bristol enrolment FOI:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...coming-1349502

37 people with grades like the ones OP feared s/he would get enrolled, so it's very possible that this story had a happy ending.
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It's kinda cute to have someone stand up for UCL for once. I guess you're going through the usual first-year 'my uni is the beesst and don't you DARE insult it' phase.
I don't think UCL is the best; I simply dislike misinformation. Mocking others for juvenility may not be your winning hand if you make a habit of condescending like a teenage girl.

Given that this thread has been bumped, I might as well link the Bristol enrolment FOI:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...coming-1349502

37 people with grades like the ones OP feared s/he would get enrolled, so it's very possible that this story had a happy ending.
Yes, of course it is. That being said it would be wise to assume that the violently anomalous figures from 2018 should not be used as a standard. It is more likely than not that there were extraordinary circumstances affecting batches of applicants in that year which may not apply to the OP.
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I don't think UCL is the best; I simply dislike misinformation. Mocking others for juvenility may not be your winning hand if you make a habit of condescending like a teenage girl.
Which bit of my post was 'misinformation'?

I don't see how you're correcting misinformation: you're simply asking for the data (fair play), and then coming up with one of many possible explanations that paint your university in the best light possible ("we had to compensate for the failings of the big bad exam boards, it wasn't our fault, we're still selective wa wa"), and then relying on it as if it's anything other than a wild guess that can be doubted in a thousand different ways. This style of argument is a recurrent technique on TSR and one of the reasons why no one likes your holier-than-thou attitude to this forum.

To take another example, LSE (which should surely be even more exposed to the plight of these 'batches' of internationals) seems to maintain a fairly consistent # of missed-offer acceptances from 2014 onwards. It's almost as if an admissions officer's decision on whether to accept an offerholder who has missed their grades is motivated by a range of factors that will necessarily vary from case to case and can't be reduced to a mass extenuating circumstance...

(I'd be less worried about condescension and more worried about me data analysis)

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Yes, of course it is. That being said it would be wise to assume that the violently anomalous figures from 2018 should not be used as a standard. It is more likely than not that there were extraordinary circumstances affecting batches of applicants in that year which may not apply to the OP.
The problem is that you have no idea as to what caused this. The 'batch' thesis is one suggestion. But another could be that Bristol raised its offer to A*AA and then realised that it's actually not actually capable of keeping that standard high. A*AB was not a 'miss' for Bristol in 2016 - it was the alternative offer. A*AB was a miss in 2017-2018 and will be from September onwards (the current alternative offer is A*A*B). So maybe you should be careful about using big words ("violently anomalous" - lol)

Edit: Attached the source for the LSE data
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Hi, am sorry to hear that find yourself in this situation. I would advise you to email or ring up the University where you applied and discuss with all the options available to you. As an international i found myself in a similar situation and had to ring up the University where upon a variety of options were discussed and i was better for it. Do not be afraid to discuss this with the University admission team. They will provide you will be able to provide with a variety of options.

Good luck.
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Try DMU they are accepting and they lower my requirement
(Original post by Chloe.D)
I need some advice please! I have one conditional offer to read Law at Bristol given that I meet their AAA/A criteria and have made it my firm choice. However I've unexpectedly missed the mark by one grade and ended up with an AAB/B instead. I'm now super worried because Bristol's my only offer and I don't have any insurance choice (rejected by the rest)

1) Which department should I send my results to?

2) Should I provide an explanation/statement to "persuade" Bristol to give me a chance or would that just make things even worst?

3) What are my chances of getting in despite missing the required grades?

4) Should the worst really occur and I end up getting rejected, will I still stand a chance via UCAS Extra/Clearing to read Law at unis like Warwick, Nottingham, Brimmingham, Queen Mary?

Really at a lost now, very much devastated and worried that my dream of becoming a lawyer is going to get crushed. I understand that there are other UK unis with lower requirements where I can get get a law degree from. However, unfortunately I'm an international student and the country I reside in only recognizes a small handful of U.K. Universities whereby graduates are then allowed to practice Law, hence my choices are really limited.

I would very much appreciate if anyone could give me some tips. Thanks for taking the time to read through my lengthy message
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