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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    its not something they are known or likely care for.
    What a strange thing to say. They care enough to have a long-established business school and, if rankings matter, a comfortable Top 10 ranking.
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    What a strange thing to say. They care enough to have a long-established business school and, if rankings matter, a comfortable Top 10 ranking.
    Well everyone has to have one, and their website says 36 places...thats not a massive business school by any scope. There are unis that really push their economics and business school, and some that don't...thats not an odd thing to say. Some peoples strenghts lie in building great english programs or history departments. Business isnt the only course in the world.
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Yeah but Durham isn't Oxbridge. It doesnt have the same mystique globally. They also only require AAB for business, that tells you something, its not something they are known or likely care for.
    Nottingham is only AAB.

    But business has traditionally been one of Durham's weakest courses. It used to be taught at Queen's, Durham's Stockton campus (about 30 mins outside Durham). It had ABB entry, and hardly stuck to it, because no one decent wanted to study there. And rightly so. There's a high street, a bridge, wasteland and then there's Durham's Stockton campus. And that high street is literally one row of shops (namely 3 Greggs and a New Look). Imagine the internationals arriving there, from Shanghai and Hong Kong.

    Now it's moved to Durham City, increased its entry to AAB, and it will probably be increasing its status year on year. That said, even though it used to be in Stockton and take in ACC (or similar), average UCAS points from this period are 465 whereas Notts was 402. And ditto was Dooensbury said, maintained a solid top 10 spot even though the course was heavily neglected.
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Well everyone has to have one, and their website says 36 places...thats not a massive business school by any scope. There are unis that really push their economics and business school, and some that don't...thats not an odd thing to say. Some peoples strenghts lie in building great english programs or history departments. Business isnt the only course in the world.
    So the size of the class is important. Ok, thanks. I'll remember that.
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    Nottingham is only AAB.

    But business has traditionally been one of Durham's weakest courses. It used to be taught At Queen's, Durham's Stockton campus (about 30 mins outside Durham). It had ABB entry, and hardly stuck to it, because no one decent wanted to study there. And rightly so. There's a high street, a bridge, wasteland and then there's Durham's Stockton campus. And that high street is literally one row of shops (namely a 3 Greggs and a New Look). Imagine the internationals arriving there, from Shanghai and Hong Kong.

    Now it's moved to Durham City, increased its entry to AAB, and it will probably be increasing its status year on year. That said, even though it used to be in Stockton and take in ACC (or similar), average UCAS points from this period are 465 whereas Notts was 402.
    And is 7 places above Notts in CUG.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    And is 7 places above Notts in CUG.
    Obviously its higher ranked then Nottingham, but likely on the merit of it being Durham which overall is a much more respected university in all facets.. That is why i find it shocking they require a meer AAB.

    Course places do matter, 36 is tiny for a business school with the expansionary vein of universities in the uk you would imagine if there was high demand you would see larger classes for in demand subjects, as business is the most applied for subject.
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    (Original post by Notoriety)
    Nottingham is only AAB.

    But business has traditionally been one of Durham's weakest courses. It used to be taught at Queen's, Durham's Stockton campus (about 30 mins outside Durham). It had ABB entry, and hardly stuck to it, because no one decent wanted to study there. And rightly so. There's a high street, a bridge, wasteland and then there's Durham's Stockton campus. And that high street is literally one row of shops (namely 3 Greggs and a New Look). Imagine the internationals arriving there, from Shanghai and Hong Kong.

    Now it's moved to Durham City, increased its entry to AAB, and it will probably be increasing its status year on year. That said, even though it used to be in Stockton and take in ACC (or similar), average UCAS points from this period are 465 whereas Notts was 402. And ditto was Dooensbury said, maintained a solid top 10 spot even though the course was heavily neglected.
    Once again that course is likely getting the benefit of the doubt for being done at Durham.

    It requires only AAB yet is in the top 10???

    Further they dont even have specialisations in 2nd year, thats a very basic slapped together course.

    Obviously Durham is a far more esteemed university then Nottingham.

    Since they cant really develop an exciting module structure and maintain such a small class size and middle of the road entry requirements you can see how one would conclude they arent serious about it.

    But they excel in many other areas.. However for a truly global business education, Nottingham offers you much more, including vast year abroad study.
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Obviously its higher ranked then Nottingham, but likely on the merit of it being Durham which overall is a much more respected university in all facets.. That is why i find it shocking they require a meer AAB.

    Course places do matter, 36 is tiny for a business school with the expansionary vein of universities in the uk you would imagine if there was high demand you would see larger classes for in demand subjects, as business is the most applied for subject.

    Why "obviously"? Which part of CUGs methodology makes it obvious that Durham would be higher than Durham for a particular subject? Especially given they rank higher for almost every single criteria, including graduate prospects...
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Why "obviously"? Which part of CUGs methodology makes it obvious that Durham would be higher than Durham for a particular subject? Especially given they rank higher for almost every single criteria, including graduate prospects...
    It still needs to excel in subject rankings to garner its overall position.

    And lets look to the QS rankings for employability,
    Nottingham = 55th
    Durham = 74th
    ovr
    Durham = 78
    Nottingham = 84

    Not spectularily better in real terms.

    obviously in certain areas, like an english degree or history if i was into humanities, i would look to Durham.

    Not for business.

    And in all reality Durham isnt even the best university in the world located in a place called Durham.

    That would be Duke University, in Durham, NC.

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    I applied to both Durham and Warwick for PPE, on paper Warwick seemed way better but seeing and researching Durham made me realise I’d be way happier there!

    Also for PPE Warwick gave me an offer of A*A*A and Durham while down to AAA… that did make the choice easier but honestly, I was still way more keen on Durham before Warwick got back to me.

    If you want to specialise in Economics, then Warwick is the best bet. If you appreciate all strands then Durham won’t put you at a disadvantage and judinging by the sounds of it Durham is your personal preference. Why not go to the Durham open day and decide for yourself? It does come across as posh I guess, you said you might not fit in but with the college system you’re far more likely to fit in and feel a sense of community than you would at Warwick.
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Warwick and Durham are both posh unis lol.
    Warwick isn't that posh. Durham is significantly posher than Warwick.

    Warwick is the sort of university that career advisers from state schools encourage high achieving students to firm. It's not particularly sought after by those from private schools.

    Even Leeds is posher than Warwick.
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    (Original post by MaskOfKeaton)
    Warwick isn't that posh. Durham is significantly posher than Warwick.

    Warwick is the sort of university that career advisers from state schools encourage high achieving students to firm. It's not particularly sought after by those from private schools.

    Even Leeds is posher than Warwick.
    Have you watched some of the videos of students at Warwick? I recall when i was looking at management (which it is good for) watching videos thinking what is this ****, cheesy activities like salsa dancing etc.. Its very attempted posh at least.

    Further state schools would advise any student any Russell group....more then likely which ever one is in that state schools region as a "goal school" if your in the North the discussion will be Durham, in the south it will be Warwick, Notts, etc.
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Have you watched some of the videos of students at Warwick? I recall when i was looking at management (which it is good for) watching videos thinking what is this ****, cheesy activities like salsa dancing etc.. Its very attempted posh at least.

    Further state schools would advise any student any Russell group....more then likely which ever one is in that state schools region as a "goal school" if your in the North the discussion will be Durham, in the south it will be Warwick, Notts, etc.
    Exactly, 'attempted'. There will be some new money (which is not the same as 'posh') and wannabe posh types at Warwick but the volume of private school students isn't particularly high. Ultimately it's just a middle-class university.

    Is salsa dancing really that posh? Sounds like ordinary middle class entertainment to me.
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Have you watched some of the videos of students at Warwick? I recall when i was looking at management (which it is good for) watching videos thinking what is this ****, cheesy activities like salsa dancing etc.. Its very attempted posh at least.

    Further state schools would advise any student any Russell group....more then likely which ever one is in that state schools region as a "goal school" if your in the North the discussion will be Durham, in the south it will be Warwick, Notts, etc.
    The North is socially deprived, so it does not tend to have many RG-attending youngsters. 72% of Durham's students come at least 100 miles from Durham. Similar with Newcastle, with 57%. You won't hear many locals' accents at Durham University! Most students come from dahn sauf.

    Also Notts has its own Latin dancing society. Maybe you need to explore more of the societies available to you.
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    (Original post by MaskOfKeaton)
    Exactly, 'attempted'. There will be some new money (which is not the same as 'posh' and wannabe posh types at Warwick but the volume of private school students isn't particularly high. Ultimately it's just a middle-class university.

    Is salsa dancing really that posh? Sounds like ordinary middle class entertainment to me.

    For research purposes, watch the video

    https://warwick.ac.uk/study/undergra...managementbsc/

    its at the bottom its funnny as hell regardless,

    the dude put me off though lol.
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    (Original post by Notoriety)
    The North is socially deprived, so it does not tend to have many RG-attending youngsters. 72% of Durham's students come at least 100 miles from Durham. Similar with Newcastle, with 57%. You won't hear many locals' accents at Durham University! Most students come from dahn sauf.

    Also Notts has its own Latin dancing society. Maybe you need to explore more of the societies available to you.
    I guess, im not really going to argue, not much empirical evidence on the social mobility aspects of universitt choosing, i just figured that people would tend to choose ones close to where they live especially if your not rich.. Further, 100 miles? England is small but you have hardly gone from the working north to the dirty (yet wealthy) south in that distance... i mean im in Nottingham, its 130 miles to London!
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    (Original post by MaskOfKeaton)
    Warwick isn't that posh. Durham is significantly posher than Warwick.

    Warwick is the sort of university that career advisers from state schools encourage high achieving students to firm. It's not particularly sought after by those from private schools.

    Even Leeds is posher than Warwick.
    Never thought I'd ever see anyone put Leeds and posh in the same sentence. What next, calling chip butties gourmet food!
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    I guess, im not really going to argue, not much empirical evidence on the social mobility aspects of universitt choosing, i just figured that people would tend to choose ones close to where they live especially if your not rich..
    I know you figured that. And it was wrong, so I thought I would point it out. For a small Northern city, surrounded by some of the poorest villages in the country, it attracts near-exclusively Southerners or international students.

    Further, 100 miles? England is small but you have hardly gone from the working north to the dirty (yet wealthy) south in that distance... i mean im in Nottingham, its 130 miles to London!
    The North East, which is the region, is the smallest in England. 100 miles easily escapes it. Newcastle is less than 20 miles away and York is about 60. Further if the North East has no affinity for Durham, I am not sure why Liverpudlians would (NB Manchester is within the 100 miles!).
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    (Original post by nutz99)
    Never thought I'd ever see anyone put Leeds and posh in the same sentence. What next, calling chip butties gourmet food!
    But the University of Leeds is quite a posh redbrick university. Those in the know will avoid a university in a posh-sounding location if the university itself has no history and looks like it's made out of cardboard.
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    (Original post by Notoriety)
    I know you figured that. And it was wrong, so I thought I would point it out. For a small Northern city, surrounded by some of the poorest villages in the country, it attracts near-exclusively Southerners or international students.



    The North East, which is the region, is the smallest in England. 100 miles easily escapes it. Newcastle is less than 20 miles away and York is about 60. Further if the North East has no affinity for Durham, I am not sure why Liverpudlians would (NB Manchester is within the 100 miles!).
    Well thanks at least ive learned something about England!
 
 
 
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