Turn on thread page Beta

Why did Jared kushner get top secret clearance watch

    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    For basically being the son in law of a president who didn’t even secure the popular vote

    broken system at its purest
    Posted on the TSR App. Download from Apple or Google Play
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by haroonNotorious)
    For basically being the son in law of a president who didn’t even secure the popular vote

    broken system at its purest
    Civilians often have security clearance, my dad had it he was never elected... military personnel have it they arent elected.
    This makes little sense, just knowing information doesnt give you power.. He cant disclose or use it, with robert mueller breathing down his neck, he is one move from federal prison. Trump knows this and is trying to distance himself.

    Honestly the Mueller investigation has done exactly what it intended they wont remove trump but its a constant reminder he ****s up he will go to jail. Checks and Balances, thats why Trump has toned it down alot if you hadnt noticed.
    Online

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Civilians often have security clearance, my dad had it he was never elected... military personnel have it they arent elected.
    This makes little sense, just knowing information doesnt give you power.. He cant disclose or use it, with robert mueller breathing down his neck, he is one move from federal prison. Trump knows this and is trying to distance himself.

    Honestly the Mueller investigation has done exactly what it intended they wont remove trump but its a constant reminder he ****s up he will go to jail. Checks and Balances, thats why Trump has toned it down alot if you hadnt noticed.
    im assuming your had had some expertise and qualifications that made him suited for a role that required security clearance.

    Kushner has no experience or expertise in this area and still got one
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by hannah00)
    im assuming your had had some expertise and qualifications that made him suited for a role that required security clearance.

    Kushner has no experience or expertise in this area and still got one
    President Trump doesnt have a prior qualification to become president lol..... There is no qualification required to security clearance thats not the purpose, all security clearances purpose is to inform the individual that if they misuse the information they obtain through it they can be punished to a much higher extent of law. ie collusion ie treason.
    Thats the main purpose.

    Its not like you graduate with Phd and get a call from the PM with a security clearance...

    its whomever the president trusts and puts in his cabinent in this situation and in general, whomever the government vets and employs.
    • Section Leader
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Section Leader
    (Original post by haroonNotorious)
    For basically being the son in law of a president who didn’t even secure the popular vote

    broken system at its purest
    He doesn't. It was temporary and has just been downgraded. Along with all the other aides that had temporary "top secret" clearance.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/27/p...nce/index.html
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...wngrade-427178

    Quite embarrassing for the Administration really.
    Online

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    President Trump doesnt have a prior qualification to become president lol..... There is no qualification required to security clearance thats not the purpose, all security clearances purpose is to inform the individual that if they misuse the information they obtain through it they can be punished to a much higher extent of law. ie collusion ie treason.
    Thats the main purpose.

    Its not like you graduate with Phd and get a call from the PM with a security clearance...

    its whomever the president trusts and puts in his cabinent in this situation and in general, whomever the government vets and employs.
    elected politicians are exempt from the qualification thing because of democracy.

    the fact that you can go to prison for leaking is irrelevant(if you get caught), it has absolutely nothing to do with the abuse of power, bad practise and anti meritocratic nature of handing them out to relatives.

    its exactly what happens, the moment you are qualified, you apply for a job, if you get it, then you are vetted, then civil service ring you up and confirm you got it.

    Doesnt matter who the president trusts, everyone should be vetted and be their on merit. No special temporary exemption for one person
    • Section Leader
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Section Leader
    (Original post by hannah00)
    its exactly what happens, the moment you are qualified, you apply for a job, if you get it, then you are vetted, then civil service ring you up and confirm you got it.
    And then they tell you, nah, you're just getting Secret not Top Secret.
    (See my post above.)
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    And then they tell you, nah, you're just getting Secret not Top Secret.
    (See my post above.)
    Well, he will probably get top secret again. It is simply up to General Kelly to go over each aide and determine the appropriate clearance level. Kushner being such a senior figure won't have any trouble with getting the nod.
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by hannah00)
    elected politicians are exempt from the qualification thing because of democracy.

    the fact that you can go to prison for leaking is irrelevant(if you get caught), it has absolutely nothing to do with the abuse of power, bad practise and anti meritocratic nature of handing them out to relatives.

    its exactly what happens, the moment you are qualified, you apply for a job, if you get it, then you are vetted, then civil service ring you up and confirm you got it.

    Doesnt matter who the president trusts, everyone should be vetted and be their on merit. No special temporary exemption for one person
    Well apparently the american authorities felt he was sufficient to be given clearance, otherwise he wouldnt have got it.. Now it could be possible some of his behaviour has been deemed inappropriate and he has lost that privelege.

    Rules in the US are very different there is no "qualification" required to become an advisor to the government, the cabinet and advisory teams are totally up to the president and the executive branch to decide.

    three branches

    Executive (President and co)
    Judicial (supreme courts and co)
    legislative (senate and co)
    • Section Leader
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Section Leader
    (Original post by Notoriety)
    Well, he will probably get top secret again. It is simply up to General Kelly to go over each aide and determine the appropriate clearance level. Kushner being such a senior figure won't have any trouble with getting the nod.
    Trump could have awarded it himself, it's as if he's testing Kelly to come to the "right" decision...
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Well apparently the american authorities felt he was sufficient to be given clearance, otherwise he wouldnt have got it.. Now it could be possible some of his behaviour has been deemed inappropriate and he has lost that privelege.

    Rules in the US are very different there is no "qualification" required to become an advisor to the government, the cabinet and advisory teams are totally up to the president and the executive branch to decide.

    three branches

    Executive (President and co)
    Judicial (supreme courts and co)
    legislative (senate and co)
    There is a backstory to this. It has little to do with Kushner's inappropriate acts.

    And the Cabinet members holding federal positions (exc. VP) are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate.
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Notoriety)
    There is a backstory to this. It has little to do with Kushner's inappropriate acts.

    And the Cabinet members holding federal positions (exc. VP) are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate.
    im fully aware of the sexual allegations mess, but as a special advisor to the president which is what kushner is senate does not have to confirm him.
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    as a special advisor to the president which is what kushner is senate does not have to confirm him.
    Indeed. But you were talking about the Cabinet, as well as the advisory team.
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Trump could have awarded it himself, it's as if he's testing Kelly to come to the "right" decision...
    he wont risk pissing off the jewish elite, most importantly of whom is ivanka lol.
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Notoriety)
    Indeed. But you were talking about the Cabinet, as well as the advisory team.
    The cabinet is also only confirmed as a ceremonious sort of undertaking 99% of the time unless there is a major scandal or character issue the presidents cabinet selections are honored.

    Only when you get into things that overlap like Fed chairs, there needs to be real consensus and Supreme court judges.

    Im american lol. (grew up watching the circus closely).
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    The cabinet is also only confirmed as a ceremonious sort of undertaking 99% of the time unless there is a major scandal or character issue the presidents cabinet selections are honored.

    Only when you get into things that overlap like Fed chairs, there needs to be real consensus and Supreme court judges.

    Im american lol. (grew up watching the circus closely).
    Well, SC appointments depend on who controls the Senate. They usually do not depend on consensus and if you watch the hearings, from district nominations to SC nominations, the hearings are heavily politicised and superficial. The right venerate the nominee and the left take the opportunity to get their sound bite in. The most amusing example was Al Franken trying to explain to Gorsuch the absurdity principle in relation to statutory interpretation.

    See Garland's nomination and refusal to hear him, Gorsuch's confirmation though it was strongly opposed by the Democrats (but not the ABA!), and of course the Clarence Thomas fiasco in the 90s. All of these happened without consensus from both parties, unfortunately. That said, SC nominees tend to be highly qualified and so whoever is chosen, be it Marland and Gorsuch, are principled jurists first and foremost. The political show does not significantly affect the discipline of SC judgments.
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Because Jared is a smart female voter and IvankaTrump.com is busy
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Notoriety)
    Well, SC appointments depends on who controls the Senate. It usually does not depend on consensus and if you watch the hearings, from district nominations to SC nominations, the hearings are heavily politicised and superficial. The right venerate the nominee and the left take the opportunity to get their sound bite in. The most amusing form of this was Al Franken trying to explain to Gorsuch the absurdity principle in relation to statutory interpretations.

    See Garland's nomination and refusal to hear him, Gorsuch's confirmation though it was strongly opposed by the Democrats (but not the ABA!), and of course the Clarence Thomas fiasco in the 90s. All of these happened without consensus from both parties, unfortunately. That said, SC nominees tend to be highly qualified and so whoever is chosen, be it Marland and Gorsuch, they are both principled jurists first and foremost. The political show does not significantly effect the discipline of SC judgments.
    a senate majority = consensus
    at least in american politics unspokenly.

    Jared kushner is not as powerful as a supreme court justice lol.

    Primarily there are leading judges on the bench that influence the rest of the bench,

    thats why republicans were so desperate to win this presidency in order to create a more right leaning bench. Which they now have.. Something that can far outlast any senate/presidency as supreme court judges serve generally for life or until they retire.
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    a senate majority = consensus
    at least in american politics unspokenly.

    Jared kushner is not as powerful as a supreme court justice lol.

    Primarily there are leading judges on the bench that influence the rest of the bench,

    thats why republicans were so desperate to win this presidency in order to create a more right leaning bench. Which they now have.. Something that can far outlast any senate/presidency as supreme court judges serve generally for life or until they retire.
    The judge Gorsuch replaced is Scalia. The current court is not more right wing than the last.
    Online

    22
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Notoriety)
    The judge Gorsuch replaced is Scalia. The current court is not more right wing than the last.
    Yea but had it been a democratic president it would have went the other way and you would have had a left wing supreme court.
 
 
 
Reply
Submit reply
Turn on thread page Beta
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Updated: February 28, 2018
Poll
How are you feeling in the run-up to Results Day 2018?
Useful resources

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Write a reply...
Reply
Hide
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.