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    (Original post by taymad)
    what are your views on feminism in today's society?
    why do you feel this way and have you always felt this way about the issue?
    I have been someone who does not support third wave feminism ever since, but I do believe it was needed when we as women were not people under the law and we were owned by our fathers and or husbands.
    feminism today does not focus on the issues that men have that women don't. the movement for feminism and what is used to stand for is not what it is now at all. I support having men and women being equal, but feminism is not the route to go.
    I personally think it’s become rather fascist and from what I’ve read allways had fascist ideals

    A lot of it is based on the idea of a whomen supremacy and or whomen being better than men and should have more rights than men

    Put simply this is not equality in any sense of the word I think everyone should be treat equally and am anti fascist though not a antifa member as they are now fascist themselves

    So ad you could geuss I just don’t agree with what it stands for it’s sorta like the whole veganism I’m better than you ideology it’s just a way for people to have power over other and be superior
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    That's why I said gender issues - as gender is not just a word for women and ofc I know that domestic violence is not isolated for women alone im not ignorant. Feminism today can be what we make it. In my school an all girls school we celebrate international men's day and have looked at the pressures men face and the high rates of suicide. When we look at domestic violence we look at cases where men have been the victim and how certain men don't feel able to come out due to male pressures. If you want to disagree with what feminism is today why don't you try and change it ? All people seem to do is complain instead of try and implement things to help both genders. Rape culture consists of things that help encourage people to rape and it is involved in actions and words accepted perhaps not encouraged as normal in society. Cat calling, certain porn, revenge porn etc and the way we use language - the use of slut, ***** for e.g. both women and men can help unconsciously help validate rape as rape a power game and less about sexual pleasure . Not all rapists go to prison as many people are too scared to report the incident. Not all women are oppressed and not all men are oppressors but not all people are racists and all people targets of racism yet people still are educated about racism and what to make change. If people stop talking about feminazis and the radical feminists of today and actual issues like the court stats you are raising without using it as an attack on feminism perhaps we could make change.
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    (Original post by MelJT)
    That's why I said gender issues - as gender is not just a word for women and ofc I know that domestic violence is not isolated for women alone im not ignorant. Feminism today can be what we make it. In my school an all girls school we celebrate international men's day and have looked at the pressures men face and the high rates of suicide. When we look at domestic violence we look at cases where men have been the victim and how certain men don't feel able to come out due to male pressures. If you want to disagree with what feminism is today why don't you try and change it ? All people seem to do is complain instead of try and implement things to help both genders. Rape culture consists of things that help encourage people to rape and it is involved in actions and words accepted perhaps not encouraged as normal in society. Cat calling, certain porn, revenge porn etc and the way we use language - the use of slut, ***** for e.g. both women and men can help unconsciously help validate rape as rape a power game and less about sexual pleasure . Not all rapists go to prison as many people are too scared to report the incident. Not all women are oppressed and not all men are oppressors but not all people are racists and all people targets of racism yet people still are educated about racism and what to make change. If people stop talking about feminazis and the radical feminists of today and actual issues like the court stats you are raising without using it as an attack on feminism perhaps we could make change.

    I never said anything about you not mentioning genders issues just being female. The domestic violence and rape you only mentioned was woman, “I feel that the number of domestic related deaths of women and sexual abuse/ rape etc”, in where I stated these things happen to men too. That’s great that your all girls school talks about men’s issues too, but the point i made was that feminists hardly ever mention males issues that they have to face. Look up videos on youtube for why i'm a feminist, look at buzzfeed or cosmopolitan, home to so many feminists.
    Who says i’m not trying to change anything about it? The fact of the matter is, feminism is not what it used to be, it’s now corrupted in this ideology that all women are oppressed and all men are not. This is why people have moved away from feminism, they don’t want to be known for supporting that kind of ideology, and would much rather support EQUALITY, not feminism. There is nothing out there that ACTUALLY encourages men to rape, that idolizes rape, that praises people who rape. Catcalling does not endure rape, that’s merely a compliment, no touching involved. It's called ignoring those kind of things. Porn is for someone's sexual pleasure. Both parties have consented to and that is a role, that is foreplay that they do. That does not encourage rape as anyone with a normal mind will not take that as a message to rape someone. The word use of slut does not encourage rape. The people who rape and don’t get punished because the victims are too scared to report the incident is completely the victims fault. If they want the rapist to be punished they go to the proper authorities and that ends up getting dealt with, no one can complain about that because that is the rape victims fault for not reporting it. If you really believe in equality, why would you call yourself a feminist because everything is so one sided, feminists only want the good things that will help them. They cherry pick the issues they would like to focus on.
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    Yeah I love being hissed at on the street 🙄 what a compliment, I love living in a society where when people come forward with their rape are labelled sluts or asking for it. How can someone whose been raped but doesn't come out because of fear of judgement somehow make their attack their fault. So if the attacker assumes it's their fault they might just keep going ahead as if it's not reported well it's not really their fault.These are the toxic attitudes that help mistreatment occur, I've never been catcalled when I'm with a man. It makes me sad that certain men feel that unless I'm claimed or in a mans protection they can shout 'compliments' at me. The porn thing is that certain story lines can send negative messages. I think that in order to achieve equality people with disadvantages should be given the same opportunities and live without fear of speaking out. I'm just saying that some people may want to speak out of feel confident to speak out under the type of feminism today and movements such as #metoo let's not shut them down or not listen to them because the don't fit the ideal of what a feminist or equalitarian should be. There are some parts of third wave feminism which isn't really helping the world and I agree that the media isn't helping. I don't know if I fit the feminist type of today I just know that when I see inequality I speak up and I like to educate people on issues that as a woman have unfortunately had to deal with. People prey on the weak and groups within society are made to be seen as less than through language, the media, religion and so on. When I refer to a culture I mean all of these things. Please don't think that catcalls are compliments, I don't want to argue you I just want you to see how I feel as a woman.
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    (Original post by MelJT)
    Yeah I love being hissed at on the street 🙄 what a compliment, I love living in a society where when people come forward with their rape are labelled sluts or asking for it. How can someone whose been raped but doesn't come out because of fear of judgement somehow make their attack their fault. So if the attacker assumes it's their fault they might just keep going ahead as if it's not reported well it's not really their fault.These are the toxic attitudes that help mistreatment occur, I've never been catcalled when I'm with a man. It makes me sad that certain men feel that unless I'm claimed or in a mans protection they can shout 'compliments' at me. The porn thing is that certain story lines can send negative messages. I think that in order to achieve equality people with disadvantages should be given the same opportunities and live without fear of speaking out. I'm just saying that some people may want to speak out of feel confident to speak out under the type of feminism today and movements such as #metoo let's not shut them down or not listen to them because the don't fit the ideal of what a feminist or equalitarian should be. There are some parts of third wave feminism which isn't really helping the world and I agree that the media isn't helping. I don't know if I fit the feminist type of today I just know that when I see inequality I speak up and I like to educate people on issues that as a woman have unfortunately had to deal with. People prey on the weak and groups within society are made to be seen as less than through language, the media, religion and so on. When I refer to a culture I mean all of these things. Please don't think that catcalls are compliments, I don't want to argue you I just want you to see how I feel as a woman.

    If someone comes out with a rape allegation, they are not labelled as a slut or asking for it. Of course there are going to be people who do but the majority of them will not. I said that if someone is raped and the rapist does not get punished and sent to jail, that the rapist not getting sent to jail is the victim's fault for not speaking out. Of course it’s going to be hard for the victim to come out and say that they got raped, but they’re in no place to be complaining about the rapist not getting punished. Again, storylines in porn don’t suggest a rape culture or push rape and accept it. A very popular porn scenario is a stepbrother stepsister type thing. This does not push the idea that having sexual relations with your stepsibling is okay. People with half a brain know that something like that is not right, just like anything that suggests rape. The reason why? Because rape is not idolized, rapists are shamed for what they’ve done.
    “I don't know if I fit the feminist type of today I just know that when I see inequality I speak up and I like to educate people on issues that as a woman have unfortunately had to deal with” it's great that when you see inequality you speak up about it but again we’re back with the “educate people on issues that as a woman have unfortunately have to deal with”, emphasis on the women. Men suffer and men have issues as well, which now supports my point about how feminists always talk about women's issues and never issues that men have to deal with in which women have the upper hand.
    And how are catcalls not compliments? Of course i know that a catcall is something sexual, but it still is a compliment in a way. No one is saying “ugly piece of shit”, it’s more like “nice ass hottie”, which is that a bad thing? As a woman myself i don’t care if i get catcalled or not, i don’t see it as a negative thing, more of like an annoying thing more so if i had to label it. But don’t forget about the fact that men also get catcalled as well, if someone as hot as cole sprouse is walking down the street do you not think someone is going to say something to him?
    Again, men have issues just like women have issues. To focus on one genders issues and cherry pick what you want to change is definitely not the feminism definition that feminists like to push. It is not equality
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    Black people have issues and native Americans have issues. When one comes and speaks out they may focus on their own issues concerning them or may speak about racism as a whole for e.g. This is the same with the feminist movement they are not cherry picking. You can't deal with all issues at once so if the movement is focusing on one issues solely in regards to women it's not to say they don't care about men's problems or not want equality. If we don't focus on one gender issue how are we suppose to help solve it ? If we were to focus on just men's issues how are we going to solve women's and vice versa.
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    (Original post by MelJT)
    Black people have issues and native Americans have issues. When one comes and speaks out they may focus on their own issues concerning them or may speak about racism as a whole for e.g. This is the same with the feminist movement they are not cherry picking. You can't deal with all issues at once so if the movement is focusing on one issues solely in regards to women it's not to say they don't care about men's problems or not want equality. If we don't focus on one gender issue how are we suppose to help solve it ? If we were to focus on just men's issues how are we going to solve women's and vice versa.
    of course all ethnicity have their problems and they would like to focus on their own problems. the reason why the statement you just made is flawed is because of the fact that FEMINISM is supposed to be a synonym for EQUALITY. but it's not, as all the feminists only focus on females issues after females issues after females issues. i'm not saying just focus on men's issues, but to focus on both genders issues as a whole. this is exactly my point on why feminism is not a movement for equality.
 
 
 
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