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    (Original post by Stalin)
    I didn't say anything about fascism, but rather militarism.

    NATO is militaristic, and it has been searching for enemies ever since the end of the Cold War. The fact that the FN would like to withdraw from such an organisation would suggest that they are more anti-war, especially when you consider that FN party members have met with Putin and his circle, and seek to reestablish ties with Russia instead of provoking it.
    Again though, you can have isolationist anti western globalisation fascism.

    The National Front are very much pro France having a strong army and glorify it.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Again though, you can have isolationist anti western globalisation fascism.
    You're missing the point: the OP claimed that the FN are militaristic. I would like him - or anyone else for that matter - to elaborate on the militaristic policies of the FN.

    The National Front are very much pro France having a strong army and glorify it.
    Having a strong military does not mean that a country is militaristic; a country is militaristic if it pursues an aggressive military policy outside of its borders.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    So take the two core bits of fascism sure :rofl:
    You're right. That just leaves us with racist and violently anti-semetic without any guiding philosophy. That sounds about right.
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    (Original post by Stalin)
    Having a strong military does not mean that a country is militaristic; a country is militaristic if it pursues an aggressive military policy outside of its borders.
    Ok then, I agree they are not milataristic in that sense. But neither was Franco. Didn't stop him being a fascist. I'm just weary of anti NATO leftists falling into the trap of thinking the National Front is an ally when it really isn't.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    You're right. That just leaves us with racist and violently anti-semetic without any guiding philosophy. That sounds about right.
    The guiding philosophy of momentum is socialism. Also fascists have a guiding philosophy you dingbat, it's funnily enough called fascism.

    Yeah there are idoits on the left who's anti-captalism strays into anti-semitism. So what? Should I just give up and go home to appease my poltical opponents? I'm sure they would like nothing more lol

    One of the current left candidates for General Secretery, and prominant Bennitie is a Jew. That's how systematically anti-semetic the Labour Party is.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Ok then, I agree they are not milataristic in that sense.
    Finally.

    But neither was Franco. Didn't stop him being a fascist.
    Franco wasn't militaristic because he was a pacifist at heart, but rather because Spain had just emerged from the brutal Civil War and was in no shape to expand. In addition, Franco new full-well that, as a fascist himself, he was always going to have a seat at the Axis table if they were victorious, but, had he been officially part of the club, the Allies would have removed him from power and he would not have ruled Spain until 1975 - he was simply playing his cards right.

    I'm just weary of anti NATO leftists falling into the trap of thinking the National Front is an ally when it really isn't.
    I suppose the present situation - that of blindly following the US around the world and turning countries upside down - is better than (insert the extreme-right labels such as fascism, militarism, anti-semitism and/or preferably Nazism).
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    (Original post by Stalin)

    I suppose the present situation - that of blindly following the US around the world and turning countries upside down - is better than (insert the extreme-right labels such as fascism, militarism, anti-semitism and/or preferably Nazism).
    No, I mean leftists shouldn't throw their brown comrades under the bus to get at the anti-imperalism stuff.

    It's pretty basic leftism to not view the National Front(!) as your allies. Then again, it kind of does overlap, hence why Fascism was so successful. Neo-liberal globalisation is indeed preferable to fascism.
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    Le Pen is no fscist. She of one of the few politicians that can save Europe from the barbarian hordes.
 
 
 
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