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Reply 820
Just thought I'd register and say 'hi'.

I was at the open day yesterday too and really enjoyed it (minus burning my mouth on the tea). The Q&A with the students was awesome too, so thanks Jason and the others (I picked apart your last.fm too, kudos for Explosions in the Sky, but listen to more MONO :wink:..)

What was the show you said you were going to in Manchester? I only know of two things happening, Melt Banana and De De Mouse, both are really good and MB are one of the best shows I've ever seen.

I went to the Japan Society meet after checking out a room too. I had made friends with someone (Junki) on Skype and he asked me along. It seemed pretty cool. I was a bit intimidated by the feeling that I didn't know anyone, but after 15 minutes, that had disappeared and I'd got talking to a few more people. I think it will be easier when I'm on the course and know more people too.

Sorry for the long first post. Haha.
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desuma

I was at the open day yesterday too and really enjoyed it (minus burning my mouth on the tea). The Q&A with the students was awesome too, so thanks Jason and the others (I picked apart your last.fm too, kudos for Explosions in the Sky, but listen to more MONO :wink:..)

What was the show you said you were going to in Manchester? I only know of two things happening, Melt Banana and De De Mouse, both are really good and MB are one of the best shows I've ever seen.


Ooooh, I'm going to see Melt-Banana in Brighton! I hope they whip out Shield For Your Eyes.., the bass on that song is unbelivable. And agreed on the Mono, gutted that the London Scala show was 18+.

One thing about the year abroad that has me scratching my head is the amount of money needed to live for a year - the gap year fund is taking a beating as it is, and that's been going without having to pay rent/food/gigs etc at a uni.
Reply 822
I think I might have to go to that too. I just looked throught your last.fm and I'm pretty envious the you're going to the My Bloody Valentine ATP as well as about a million others (drops a hint, if you're looking for another person in the chalet).

I'm looking through your past events and it's cool how many we've both been to, as well as others I am kicking myself for missing (Fantomas, Sonic Youth). I'll add you up.
To be fair though Jason, you can end up going to somewhere a bit more provincial and end up speaking no Japanese and have everything done for you. So far, my university in Japan next year has a whopping 8 international students is stuck in a giant posh residential area (not exactly the type of place gaijin would hang out.) Seems so far that my current process has been doing everything in Japanese (only application in the entire year that is entirely in Japanese. Its very much being thrown in the deep end.

People seem to think that Tokyo is one giant expensive metropolis with lots of foreigners where everyone can speak english, and if you stay clear of the obvious places its definitely not that. Maybe people, have made the assumption, rightly or wrongly, that simply avoiding Tokyo by default improves your Japanese. Its all about pushing yourself personally - I think you made this comment yourself a few months back in our year abroad meeting.

For most people its a matter of cost. As you know, Sheffield are now sending 10 students to Doshisha. Most people wanted to avoid this - but still go outside of Tokyo... Normally, if you have an ideal uni in mind, they will send you there but some unis (Nagoya springs to mind) have some nasty pre-requirements. Also, just because you aren't in Tokyo doesn't mean you are spared having to commute. Kobe for example takes two train rides to get to from the student dorms.

I can understand why people avoid Tokyo life, obviously my reasons are a mix of personal and social reasons (most of my mates and g/f are in Yokohama/Tokyo area.) Whilst I think its cool to go somewhere a bit smaller with less gaijin - its almost as if, once you've explored the city and been to all the places you've been to - you can get bored pretty quick and the novelty can wear off. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is just my personal opinion.

Pros;

- Huge city, always stuff to do, never get bored
- More opportunities for different types of work, considerably higher pay
- Easier to find random stuff from home (imported goods etc.)
- Easier to find fellow gaijin (sounds stupid, but sometimes you do need to find fellow british people as well.)
- Suica and o-saifu keitai in virtually any store, supermarket, konbini or station. Far more convenience...
- Easier to find english speaking staff when you have to start signing up the horrendous paper work or look for a good internet provider.
- easier to find completely random things for all tastes.
- mostly get to live in an apartment, throws you into tokyo lifestyle a bit more.
- If you ever wanna work there (and most likely you will) you will be better prepared than most people.
- no horrendous provincial dialects (although the taxi drivers do speak crazy.)
- easy to travel to and from other areas of japan and the rest of asia.

Cons;

- Busy, crowded
- Expensive. (stay clear of the bars unless you want to drink £7 pints.)
- Huge commutes (especially for unis located in central Tokyo.)
- Lot more gaijin (lot more gaijin who speak no Japanese anyway. Especially the ones you have to help out on a regular f---ng basis.)
- aspects of living in an apartment on your own. (although there are other students nearby as well.)

Meh...
I want to get an Osaka dialect :idea2:
Reply 825
jaybones
Alright there folks,

Jason here. Turns out my username on this is Jaybones not momquab haha. I'm a bit scared by people finding me on Last.fm now though and wanting to pick through my music collection!

How'd you all find the Open day anyway? Hope it was helpful! Free cookies = win.

I'm a good stalker :colondollar:

I thought the open day was coooool. I'm well excited to start now :smile:
Yuffie
I want to get an Osaka dialect :idea2:


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Reply 828
desuma
Just thought I'd register and say 'hi'.

I was at the open day yesterday too and really enjoyed it (minus burning my mouth on the tea). The Q&A with the students was awesome too, so thanks Jason and the others (I picked apart your last.fm too, kudos for Explosions in the Sky, but listen to more MONO :wink:..)

What was the show you said you were going to in Manchester? I only know of two things happening, Melt Banana and De De Mouse, both are really good and MB are one of the best shows I've ever seen.


I went to see MONO last month at Corporation in Sheffield and got speaking to the band after the gig ! I really enjoyed the gig but just havent gotten around (read no money) to buy the CDs yet!

The gig I mentioned is called "100% Genki Tour" which is 80kids, De De Mouse (must be the same gig you mentioned, Riddim Saunter and Tucker. If you're planning on going the gig in Manchester, 17th May then let me know and maybe we can get a TSR/Sheffield meet up going on.
Reply 829
Yeah, I'm going to see MONO in New York for their 10th anniversary show (fanboy is not an adequate title) :horns: . Yeah, 100% Genki, that's the one. Depending on if I go to this in London or not, I might come up for it.
Reply 830
guy_incognito
To be fair though Jason, you can end up going to somewhere a bit more provincial and end up speaking no Japanese and have everything done for you. So far, my university in Japan next year has a whopping 8 international students is stuck in a giant posh residential area (not exactly the type of place gaijin would hang out.) Seems so far that my current process has been doing everything in Japanese (only application in the entire year that is entirely in Japanese. Its very much being thrown in the deep end.


Excellent post mr incognito (who are you and are you going to Doshisha as well then?) you made some really good points. I did forget to mention a lot of that in my spiel.

No matter where you go, even if its the middle of nowhere with not a single foreigner in sight, it is still entirely possible to go through your time there and barely speak or use Japanese. It is really a matter of throwing yourself into the life head first and taking advantage of every opportunity presented to you. It can be a bit daunting at first but the rewards are so so worth it.

If there is one thing I strongly recommend you do when you're on your year abroad is join a student society or サークル as soon as you arrive. In typical Japnaese fashion it can take a while for you to be accepted into it but if you stick at it then it will really pay off for you.

I joined two societies, a Jazz big band (A bukatsu type of society where I had to go to practices 4 times a week, Monday, Wed and Friday from 5pm til 10pm and Saturday from 9am til around 4pm) and a rock band society called "Young Folk Assassins" or YFA - don't ask me the meaning of that! I did a couple of concerts with the Jazz band but I just found it was sucking all my time so I stopped that after a few months and concentrated on my rock band. I was the bassist and lead vocalist and we wrote a couple of our own songs and did covers of some J-rock tunes. I was lucky enough to play a number of gigs with my band and through them I met some really amazing people.

It seems to be the same story for all other people who joined societies whilst they're there. A friend of mine joined the Tennis club and ended up being away most weekends drinking in different parts of Japan with the other club members. If there is just one major positive of all of this - your Japanese will improve very quickly when you're forced to speak it every day!

In summary, it is really down to you for how much you actually get out of your year abroad. It doesn't matter at all where you go, Tokyo or not. That is merely a matter of preference.
Reply 831
jaybones
You have every right to be worried about it - moving to a different country for a year is no small thing! However I'm glad we managed to help you with some of your worries!

As for Tokyo/Non-tokyo, the differences are very similar to London/Outside of london for England. If you're going to be living in or around Tokyo then the price of things will natually be a little higher than it would be in other parts of Japan. Not only that, as it is a collection of huge cities you are generally forced to take the train everywhere you go and that can be very time consuming and again costs money. At the end of the day every situtation is different as some people lived on campus but their university is in tokyo so they didn't have to travel at all or some people lived half an hour/an hour outside of it and took a bit of time getting there and back each day.


guy_incognito

Pros;

- Huge city, always stuff to do, never get bored
- More opportunities for different types of work, considerably higher pay
- Easier to find random stuff from home (imported goods etc.)
- Easier to find fellow gaijin (sounds stupid, but sometimes you do need to find fellow british people as well.)
- Suica and o-saifu keitai in virtually any store, supermarket, konbini or station. Far more convenience...
- Easier to find english speaking staff when you have to start signing up the horrendous paper work or look for a good internet provider.
- easier to find completely random things for all tastes.
- mostly get to live in an apartment, throws you into tokyo lifestyle a bit more.
- If you ever wanna work there (and most likely you will) you will be better prepared than most people.
- no horrendous provincial dialects (although the taxi drivers do speak crazy.)
- easy to travel to and from other areas of japan and the rest of asia.

Cons;

- Busy, crowded
- Expensive. (stay clear of the bars unless you want to drink £7 pints.)
- Huge commutes (especially for unis located in central Tokyo.)
- Lot more gaijin (lot more gaijin who speak no Japanese anyway. Especially the ones you have to help out on a regular f---ng basis.)
- aspects of living in an apartment on your own. (although there are other students nearby as well.)

Meh...



information overload guys! hahah
that's been really helpful though :smile:

it's interesting that you decided to go out on your own, i think i'm slightly leaning towards going with another person, alone seems daunting! I guess it all depends on whether or not I meet someone i really get on with - if you get the choice of who you go with that is? I can kinda see how going alone would improve your Japanese though

I'm not really much of a city person at the moment but for some reason I seem to be drawn to Tokyo hmm..



this is all besides the point really, I'm sure they will give us more information nearer the time haha

out of question how many people are left in your year?
the average intake of year 1 is 60 or something isnt it..?
desuma
I think I might have to go to that too. I just looked throught your last.fm and I'm pretty envious the you're going to the My Bloody Valentine ATP as well as about a million others (drops a hint, if you're looking for another person in the chalet).

I'm looking through your past events and it's cool how many we've both been to, as well as others I am kicking myself for missing (Fantomas, Sonic Youth). I'll add you up.


ATP is always awesome, already filled my mighty mighty 2 man chalet but definately coax/bribe/trick someone into going. I didn't even know that The Necks and Soil & Pimp Sessions were touring (am now looking to hoard money for these), and I'm hella jealous of your past event of Bjork and Aphex Twin in 2003, that would have been sick!

On that note, does Tokyo have a good music scene, anyone whose been there? The only thing I've heard about it is that it is super expensive, and possibly not gaijin-friendly, although I may be thinking about strip bars.
Reply 833
I think I'd definitely end up wanting to go with another person :afraid:
Reply 834
I'll go with you. :flutter:
I'm off to Seijo. Ideal really. Its slap bang between Shibuya and Yokohama. I wanted to go to either Tokyo or maybe Nagoya (but my grades aren't good enough and it would kill my current relationship.)

Apparently our year was really messed up with their applications. I've just finalised mine. Despite having the forms since early January. Funny you should mention Kanazawa because one of the guy's going next year had to resend some forms after missing some of the pages out. :s-smilie: I feel sorry for our YA coordinator.

Were you victim to any of those nasty 'mongen' (curfew) in Kanazawa? Some unis, such as ICU have horror stories (10pm curfew, shared rooms, intensive advanced Japanese. :woo: )

Just come back from the new offices on shearwood road. Apparently there is a common room of sorts near the new departmental office. So maybe, any new students will take advantage of that for one year at least. Might start some study sessions in there if the time is willing. I can't stand the IC.
guy_incognito

Were you victim to any of those nasty 'mongen' (curfew) in Kanazawa? Some unis, such as ICU have horror stories (10pm curfew, shared rooms, intensive advanced Japanese. :woo: )


:eek3:
dale_cooper

On that note, does Tokyo have a good music scene, anyone whose been there? The only thing I've heard about it is that it is super expensive, and possibly not gaijin-friendly, although I may be thinking about strip bars.


Cover charges to nightclubs, especially in Shibuya and Roppongi go up to about £15 a head and its like £5 for a vodka and coke inside. Normally you get cute girls handing you fliers for a discounted entry and free drink inside - but you will get your wallet raped inside - and the music and girls aren't really up to much. Its for salarymen to waste their money basically...

Kichijoji (prolly my favourite area of Tokyo) has some great little bars though.
randomjak
information overload guys! hahah
that's been really helpful though :smile:

it's interesting that you decided to go out on your own, i think i'm slightly leaning towards going with another person, alone seems daunting! I guess it all depends on whether or not I meet someone i really get on with - if you get the choice of who you go with that is? I can kinda see how going alone would improve your Japanese though


You have no choice in the matter sadly. Say if you score really high on your exam, there is a possibility they will send you to a top uni on your own to maximise getting a scholarship. Normally you are sent to a uni with another person (depending on the uni.) For instance, the top unis Waseda and Keio normally just receive the one each. Some people have dropped out after being allocated, so some people are going on their tod. And no, you can't take their allocation unless its an extreme case.

If you really hate or love one person on the course, you can write that - but like I said it might be hard to fit into your needs. Its really pointless going with your best mate though - your Japanese will never improve. I slack off all the time in Sheffield when I have my mates in class with me (I even changed groups this year to avoid this!)

Yeah. Actually, I'm happy that my closest friend on the course (who incidentally said he would like to be paired with me! :p: ) is going to be living in Kansai (Kobe.) Not only can I mooch off this flat when I go visit him (and vice-versa) but it means there isn't a tendency for me to hang out all the time and not speak any Japanese.


out of question how many people are left in your year?
the average intake of year 1 is 60 or something isnt it..?


Our year is like 32 from like 75. lol.

Anyways, 14 people are going to Tokyo this year in case you were wondering. So, about half of the course really. Although we say 10 people are going to Doshisha this year, actually most of them had really low grades and have dropped out already - therefore I think its going to be only 4 or 5 going tbh.
Reply 839
dale_cooper
ATP is always awesome, already filled my mighty mighty 2 man chalet but definately coax/bribe/trick someone into going. I didn't even know that The Necks and Soil & Pimp Sessions were touring (am now looking to hoard money for these), and I'm hella jealous of your past event of Bjork and Aphex Twin in 2003, that would have been sick!


It was pretty cool. Nobody really knew it was him though. You know how Richard James is. I'm still undecided on going to see S&P Sessions. Have to count my money up too.

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