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    (Original post by QE2)
    What was your original question?



    I don't think I can really say seeing as how it got moderated
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    As long as you pass the relevent tests I can see no reason why not.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Every Islamic obligation can be foregone in case of necessity, so it's not a matter of "missing" prayer if you are in a combat situation.
    Yes but in combat is not the only time where you would not be allowed to pray. If you are on duty doing a job which requires you to be present and aware of your surroundings then you obviously will might not be allowed to pray.

    It's just common sense really on when a prayer wouldn't be permitted.
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    (Original post by Sani882)
    I’m 15 years old, nearly 16, and I am a practising Muslim. Both my parents follow Islam and I have always been brought up to follow the religion. I do love my religion and I am a strong believer of equality and helping others. I’ve been interested in the army for a long time but always been told that either I couldn’t because I’m a girl, or because of my religion. I’m school we have been talking about going to war in r.s and it says that in Islam if that if we are told by our government to fight in a just war then we can. I’m just confused on whether I should or shouldn’t. I’ve only read about men who have joined the army and that it’s fine, so Is it the same for women?

    If someone could answer this I’d be extremely great full.


    P.s if I have stated anything that’s wrong or anything then I apologise it’s just what I’ve been taught.
    Yes go Girl...be a strong independent clever woman!!!
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    (Original post by Ninja Squirrel)
    Yes but in combat is not the only time where you would not be allowed to pray. If you are on duty doing a job which requires you to be present and aware of your surroundings then you obviously will might not be allowed to pray.

    It's just common sense really on when a prayer wouldn't be permitted.
    So are you saying that any job or activity that may not facilitate every prayer session is not suitable for Muslims? If not, what is your point?
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So are you saying that any job or activity that may not facilitate every prayer session is not suitable for Muslims? If not, what is your point?
    Do you know the etiquette of prayer when one is in war?
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    Do you know the etiquette of prayer when one is in war?
    Yes. Not sure how that is relevant to the discussion.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Yes. Not sure how that is relevant to the discussion.
    If you did, you would have known that one cannot miss prayer for this reason.

    I mentioned it because you said earlier in this thread that it's 'permissible' to miss prayer because one is in war. That is incorrect.

    (By the ways, by war I mean Army)
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    If you did, you would have known that one cannot miss prayer for this reason.
    Wrong. The relevant passages in the Quran and sunnah recount specific instances when prayers were conducted during battle. There is nothing that says that if you are engaged in hand-to-hand combat when the azan is called that you must lay down your arms and pray.

    I mentioned it because you said earlier in this thread that it's 'permissible' to miss prayer because one is in war. That is incorrect.
    No. I didn't say that. I said "every Islamic obligation can be foregone in case of necessity". Are you claiming that this is not the case?
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    (Original post by QE2)
    No. I didn't say that. I said "every Islamic obligation can be foregone in case of necessity". Are you claiming that this is not the case?
    In this instance, I was not referring to the Holy Quraan.

    When one is in war, there is a specific manner in which one has to adhere to.

    See prayer cannot be missed for whatever reason one may be in at the time. So you are incorrect sir.
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    In this instance, I was not referring to the Holy Quraan.

    When one is in war, there is a specific manner in which one has to adhere to.

    See prayer cannot be missed for whatever reason one may be in at the time. So you are incorrect sir.
    So you are saying that when one is engaged in hand to hand combat and the azan sounds, you must put down your weapons and kneel before your adversary.
    Interesting.
    Could you link to the hadith that commands this? Thanks.
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    See prayer cannot be missed for whatever reason one may be in at the time. So you are incorrect sir.
    Just to be clear, I am referring to the ruku and sujud elements of prayer. Obviously anyone can utter the words under any circumstances, so that element is not relevant to the discussion.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So you are saying that when one is engaged in hand to hand combat and the azan sounds, you must put down your weapons and kneel before your adversary.
    Interesting.
    Could you link to the hadith that commands this? Thanks.
    It's not a hadeeth. It's a ruling. The ruling is that when one is in the battlefield they should get into groups and perform prayer, whilst the other group safeguards the area whilst the first group finishes their prayer.

    They then swap over, and it goes on like this until the whole prayer is finished.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Just to be clear, I am referring to the ruku and sujud elements of prayer. Obviously anyone can utter the words under any circumstances, so that element is not relevant to the discussion.
    Ruku and sajdah are two elements of prayer. You cannot eliminate this from the intial prayer itself. So one cannot just go into a sajdah/Ruku position should they not even had uttered the takbeer at the beginning.

    Thana is also an essential requirements of prayer itself.
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    It's not a hadeeth. It's a ruling. The ruling is that when one is in the battlefield they should get into groups and perform prayer, whilst the other group safeguards the area whilst the first group finishes their prayer.

    They then swap over, and it goes on like this until the whole prayer is finished.
    But this would only be possible in certain circumstances. What happens when every Muslim soldier is physically engaged with an enemy and if half of the stopped fighting, the battle would be lost.

    It is this very situation that sura 2:239 covers. "If ye fear an enemy, pray on foot, or riding,"
    This is further confirmed by Al-Bukhari..."Al-Awza`i said, "If the victory seems near and the Muslims are unable to perform the prayer (in the normal manner), they should pray by nodding each by himself. If they are unable to nod, they should delay the prayer until fighting is finished."

    Hope this helped
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    (Original post by QE2)
    But this would only be possible in certain circumstances. What happens when every Muslim soldier is physically engaged with an enemy and if half of the stopped fighting, the battle would be lost.

    It is this very situation that sura 2:239 covers. "If ye fear an enemy, pray on foot, or riding,"
    This is further confirmed by Al-Bukhari..."Al-Awza`i said, "If the victory seems near and the Muslims are unable to perform the prayer (in the normal manner), they should pray by nodding each by himself. If they are unable to nod, they should delay the prayer until fighting is finished."

    Hope this helped
    Battles can be lost, but prayer comes first for a Muslim. A true Muslim knows the benefit of Salaah itself so if they really care they would put their prayer first before anything else.

    One cannot delay prayer under any circumstances.
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    Battles can be lost, but prayer comes first for a Muslim. A true Muslim knows the benefit of Salaah itself so if they really care they would put their prayer first before anything else.

    One cannot delay prayer under any circumstances.
    Wait so if the option is get shot or miss prayer, you have to choose to die? Prayer comes before the life of a person? That’s messed up.
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    Wait so if the option is get shot or miss prayer, you have to choose to die? Prayer comes before the life of a person? That’s messed up.
    Ah! Should an individual pass away when they are fighting, they are guaranteed a death of martyr.
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    (Original post by MiszshorTea786)
    Battles can be lost, but prayer comes first for a Muslim. A true Muslim knows the benefit of Salaah itself so if they really care they would put their prayer first before anything else.
    But to knowingly expose oneself to certain death is suicide, and that is forbidden in Islam, so you must be wrong about that.

    One cannot delay prayer under any circumstances.
    Al-Bukhari begs to differ. Did you not read his quote above? Perhaps you are a more knowledgable scholar than him, or Ibn Kathir, who included that quote in his tafsir, or Abd al-Rahman al-Awza', who made the ruling?

    Or how about Anas bin Malik? He describes delaying prayer until a battle was over. Are you more knowledgable than one of the sahabi?
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    This is the same view that Makhul held. Anas bin Malik said, "I participated in the attack on the fort of Tastar, when the light of dawn started to become clear. Suddenly, the fighting raged and the Muslims were unable to pray until the light of day spread. We then prayed (the Dawn prayer) with Abu Musa and we became victorious.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Al-Bukhari begs to differ. Did you not read his quote above? Perhaps you are a more knowledgable scholar than him, or Ibn Kathir, who included that quote in his tafsir, or Abd al-Rahman al-Awza', who made the ruling?

    Or how about Anas bin Malik? He describes delaying prayer until a battle was over. Are you more knowledgable than one of the sahabi?
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    This is the same view that Makhul held. Anas bin Malik said, "I participated in the attack on the fort of Tastar, when the light of dawn started to become clear. Suddenly, the fighting raged and the Muslims were unable to pray until the light of day spread. We then prayed (the Dawn prayer) with Abu Musa and we became victorious.
    Why would one go into a battle in the first place then? Should they know the outcome? Salaah comes first more than anything else.

    Did you not know the Hadeeth upon missing a prayer even in the case of a battle?

    Please do reference your sources so that it's sanad can be distinguished. Thank you.
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