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    After smoking, being obese is the leading cause of cancer. Apparently only 15% of people know this, so I think it is a good thing for CRUK to raise awareness of this. You will probably have seen some of their new posters this week.

    A comedian called Sofie Hagen has taken issue with this, and the BBC also seem to be a bit critical, actually asking questions such as "Is "fatness" a bad thing?" which everybody should know the correct answer to before they reach high school.

    In fact, given that there is clearly still ignorance about how bad obesity is, I think that further vindicates CRUK's decision to run this campaign. That people are trying to misrepresent this factual information into "Oh my god, it's fat shaming" is terrible. People may fat shame anyway, but the truth that being obese is a cause of cancer is still a truth people need to be aware of.
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    When will people learn that the new left is a form of insanity
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    It's definitely unhealthy and views denying this should not be endorsed.

    Though if someone is fat we should not criticise their choice.
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    Personally I'm fine with CRUK mounting awareness campaigns, and it's clearly silly to complain about 'fat shaming' in this case. However, they lose me when they start calling for things to be banned. There are altogether too many of these groups pushing for state interference in aspects of people's lives which are really none of anyone else's business.
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    Obesity is a problem but we too often look at it from the wrong direction. Humans have evolved in a condition of scarcity (as all animals have) and so we are hardwired to eat and be particularly drawn to high calorie foods (typically fats and sugars). It is the availability and cheapness of high calorie and processed food that needs more focus as many humans will always, no matter how much coaching or education is thrown at them, be drawn to do the wrong thing.
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    (Original post by Axiomasher)
    Obesity is a problem but we too often look at it from the wrong direction. Humans have evolved in a condition of scarcity (as all animals have) and so we are hardwired to eat and be particularly drawn to high calorie foods (typically fats and sugars). It is the availability and cheapness of high calorie and processed food that needs more focus as many humans will always, no matter how much coaching or education is thrown at them, be drawn to do the wrong thing.
    Nobody is claiming it's easy to slim down or become healthy from previously being fat/obese. But I have no sympathy for those who don't even try, and rather, as seen by a growing movement of fat acceptance, become comfortable being fat, ergo, implying its a good thing even as well as playing the victim in many situations.
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    Hagen should do one. The job of cancer research is to find out what causes Cancer and help to prevent it if possible. Obesity is a cause of cancer, they are doing their jobs. If you are offended by a sign showing a fact, then you have the problem.
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    the Queen could encourage the fight against obesity by awarding medals each year to outstanding slimmer's.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Though if someone is fat we should not criticise their choice.
    Shouldn't we? If we can be sure that it is a choice and not a medical condition (or any other legitimate reason) then why shouldn't they be criticised for their poor choices? Eating disorders (regardless of whether they are eating too much or too little) put unnecessary strain on public health services. Of course, it's not fair to criticise someone with a mental health issue that affects their eating but we can argue that is not a matter of choice.

    If someone is damaging their health purely by choice then I'd say there's nothing wrong with criticising their faulty thinking; that choice is irresponsible both for their own health and the services they will come to depend on. That said, criticism would not be my first choice. Better education to teach them why they are making poor choices is better.
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    I’m fat and fully aware of the risks I’m placing myself at, so doing something about it (slow process though). Ridiculous to tiptoe around facts, in case it offends. It’s her (their) issue, if denial is the better option.
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    Yes Obesity is an issue in society but food companies do nothing to lower the calories and fat levels in food substances (like MacDonalds). I've lost two relatives because of obesity because it caused their heart to fail, but they never did anything to lower their weight. They just excused their excessive eating habits as needing more and more food in the house on the chance they may have guests but everyone knew it was for her.
    Being obese is an outlying factor in heart problems as well as the individual being dependent on another depending on their weight, they also cost the NHS substantial amounts each year because of joints and heart ops which are better served for other people who have not ruined their body knowingly.
    Yet, there are illnesses which means an individual will put on excess weight, but if the weight gained is their own fault then I don't believe they should be prioritised.
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    (Original post by HighOnGoofballs)
    Nobody is claiming it's easy to slim down or become healthy from previously being fat/obese. But I have no sympathy for those who don't even try, and rather, as seen by a growing movement of fat acceptance, become comfortable being fat, ergo, implying its a good thing even as well as playing the victim in many situations.
    We can't easily know how hard any individual is trying though, no matter what they say in public. What doesn't help is public shaming which inevitably causes some to react emotionally and become defensive about carrying weight.
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    There are two sides to this. Yes, obesity does cause health isses, but insulting, deriding and patronising obese people simple shuts down discussion dialogue and ultimately the chance help the situation.

    I would wage a sizable bet that there isn't an obese person who wouldn't like to lose weight. What some thin folks won't appreciate is how hard losing weight is, and if you are trying to do it at the same time as being harassed and verbally abused it is near imposssible.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    There are two sides to this. Yes, obesity does cause health isses, but insulting, deriding and patronising obese people simple shuts down discussion dialogue and ultimately the chance help the situation.

    I would wage a sizable bet that there isn't an obese person who wouldn't like to lose weight. What some thin folks won't appreciate is how hard losing weight is, and if you are trying to do it at the same time as being harassed and verbally abused it is near imposssible.
    But merely stating that Obesity is a cause of cancer isn’t insulting somebody is it?
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    (Original post by Axiomasher)
    Obesity is a problem but we too often look at it from the wrong direction. Humans have evolved in a condition of scarcity (as all animals have) and so we are hardwired to eat and be particularly drawn to high calorie foods (typically fats and sugars). It is the availability and cheapness of high calorie and processed food that needs more focus as many humans will always, no matter how much coaching or education is thrown at them, be drawn to do the wrong thing.
    step 1: put down the fork.
    step 2: work out.
    step 3: congratulate your self with a nice meal.
    step 4: work out.
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    I've had loads of parents and close ones die purely of they're way of life, too much sugar, too much smoking, too much fatness.
    and I think its completely stupid to die of your own hands
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    But merely stating that Obesity is a cause of cancer isn’t insulting somebody is it?
    No. But the title of this thread demonstrates perfectly how the argument is shut down. "Fat lady". Not "Woman". This thread doesn't contain any obese people saying things like, "Do you know what - you are right. I need to lose weight." It is just full of self-righteous thin folks demonising obese people.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    There are two sides to this. Yes, obesity does cause health issues, but insulting, deriding and patronising obese people simple shuts down discussion dialogue and ultimately the chance help the situation.

    I would wage a sizable bet that there isn't an obese person who wouldn't like to lose weight. What some thin folks won't appreciate is how hard losing weight is, and if you are trying to do it at the same time as being harassed and verbally abused it is near impossible.
    Part of the problem here is that no matter what you say to someone, deriding or otherwise, some people will always take it as a personal insult. There's a very fine line between having an open discussion and pussyfooting around the problem. And that line isn't always in the same place for both sides of the conversation. At the end of the day, no matter how it's dressed up, it's still a negative thing to be unhealthy. Sometimes it is necessary to take the more brutal approach because it works. Tough love should not be confused with insults and derision. The title of this thread doesn't exactly fall in line with the rest of the OP and while there are "nicer" words that can be used, if you are fat then you are fat. Ironically if I weren't so lazy I'd also talk about how fat shaming is used, should we rename that to obese shaming?

    I'd also like to point out that while the discussion is about overweight people, they should not be the sole focus. Some overweight people will struggle to lose weight and some thin people may not understand that. But equally those who are a healthy weight or overweight also won't understand the struggles of people who are unhealthily underweight. It can be just as hard to gain weight as it can be to lose it and I don't think all the focus should be on "fat" people.
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    (Original post by Acsel)
    There's a very fine line between having an open discussion and pussyfooting around the problem.
    This sums up precisely the problem. You are assuming there is an open conversation to be had. I have asthma, but I don't have people come up to me and go - "Well you know, if you hadn't done this that or the other, you might be ok." Yet we seem to feel that it is perfectly acceptable to have a conversation with obese people about their condition and expect them to listen.

    Sure - let's debate the health of the nation. Let's talk about the fact that kids are bombarded with advertising for really unhealthy snacks and treats. Let's talk about the fact that fatty food is very very cheap compared to healthier options. Let's talk about the fact that people no longer cook or know how to. Let's talk about the fact that there are a million and 1 conflicting pieces of advice out there on what is and is not healthy.

    But deriding obese people on the pretence that we are somehow educating them about something they have never heard of before? - come of it! It is for the self-righteous. No one likes a smartie-pants.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    This sums up precisely the problem. You are assuming there is an open conversation to be had. I have asthma, but I don't have people come up to me and go - "Well you know, if you hadn't done this that or the other, you might be ok." Yet we seem to feel that it is perfectly acceptable to have a conversation with obese people about their condition and expect them to listen.
    That's a fundamentally different problem though. You have a medical condition which may or may not have been avoidable. I don't have the information to make that judgment. But if it were perfectly avoidable, had you changed your lifestyle then sure, it's perfectly reasonable to say that you wouldn't be in the situation you are in now. I'm not familiar enough with asthma to have that argument though, I don't know if there are "cures" or prevention available.

    However I don't think they are really comparable. I'm sure your asthma affects your everyday life. But I the average asthma sufferer puts the same drain on public healthcare as the average obese person. Asthma to an extent can be managed. Obesity has a much larger impact on life and is more difficult to manage. So I don't think it's fair to compare the two.

    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Sure - let's debate the health of the nation. Let's talk about the fact that kids are bombarded with advertising for really unhealthy snacks and treats. Let's talk about the fact that fatty food is very very cheap compared to healthier options. Let's talk about the fact that people no longer cook or know how to. Let's talk about the fact that there are a million and 1 conflicting pieces of advice out there on what is and is not healthy.
    I never said that obese people were solely the problem. There are many things that would also need addressing. Lack of education on the matter, availability of unhealthy food and so on. But that said, some of these things are addressed. Healthy school meals and education about poor health for example.

    Just because a problem is large and wide ranging, does not mean it should be ignored. It would be handled one step at a time, through gradual change.

    (Original post by ByEeek)
    But deriding obese people on the pretence that we are somehow educating them about something they have never heard of before? - come of it! It is for the self-righteous. No one likes a smartie-pants.
    That's how education works though? You teach people about things they don't know.

    Regardless of the pretense used, it doesn't change the fact that being obese is a bad thing. I can go around shaming fat people or I can try to educate them to improve their life. But if we try to pretend the problem doesn't exist, or aren't allowed to talk about it then it won't go away.

    Recent legislation made tobacco packaging far less pleasing to the eye. Smoking is undeniably a bad thing for your health. But should we not have made that change? Should we make all the packaging pretty pink and blue so the smokers don't get offended?

    Whether obese people like it or not, they are damaging their health. Sure, we can argue that this is there choice. But they also drain resources from public healthcare. That makes it everyone's problem. And unless people talk about it, that problem doesn't go away. The same is true on a country wide level. That is not a matter of self righteousness.
 
 
 
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