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    (Original post by ThomH97)
    n fact, given that there is clearly still ignorance about how bad obesity is, I think that further vindicates CRUK's decision to run this campaign. That people are trying to misrepresent this factual information into "Oh my god, it's fat shaming" is terrible. People may fat shame anyway, but the truth that being obese is a cause of cancer is still a truth people need to be aware of.
    That's the problem, people are aware of the truth. In fact, the health risks of being obese are immensely well-known. It's sensible to come to the conclusion that these sorts of messages, e.g. 'being fat is bad', are unhelpful. In fact, the senior research fellow quoted in the BBC article you bring up suggests how these messages can contribute to a stigma that is ultimately counterproductive. We need to look at this complex matter differently and have an honest discussion about it, simply saying 'meh, this is the truth' is not good.
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    Diabetes, heart attacks and joint problems are just social constructs!
    lol...feminism = insanity.
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    That's the problem, people are aware of the truth. In fact, the health risks of being obese are immensely well-known. It's sensible to come to the conclusion that these sorts of messages, e.g. 'being fat is bad', are unhelpful. In fact, the senior research fellow quoted in the BBC article you bring up suggests how these messages can contribute to a stigma that is ultimately counterproductive. We need to look at this complex matter differently and have an honest discussion about it, simply saying 'meh, this is the truth' is not good.
    I don't think enough people are aware of the truth. We've got fat people who think "Oh, it's probably not great but I'm doing okay for now" while their health and mobility decrease gradually, we've got people like Sofie Hagen who think "Society viewing fatness as a negative thing is a thing that kills more than the cancer that you MIGHT get due to MAYBE something to do with you POSSIBLY weighing MORE than a CERTAIN weight POSSIBLY MAYBE" which is a refusal to face the consequences of being fat, through to Meghan Trainor who brags about being fat because she's "got that boom boom that all the boys chase".

    Such messages are comforting to some fat people, so they end up believing them. Yes it's not good to abuse or assault someone because they're fat, but we actually have some sort of denial culture growing - hiding within the body positive ethos which should encourage long term health over appearance rather than temporary happiness over long term health.
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    Shouldn't we? If we can be sure that it is a choice and not a medical condition then why shouldn't they be criticised? Eating disorders (regardless of whether they are eating too much or too little) put unnecessary strain on public health services. Of course, it's not fair to criticise someone with a mental health issue that affects their eating but we can argue that is not a matter of choice.

    If someone is damaging their health purely by choice then I'd say there's nothing wrong with criticising their faulty thinking; that choice is irresponsible both for their own health and the services they will come to depend on. That said, criticism would not be my first choice. Better education to teach them why they are making poor choices is better.
    Because it's exactly like criticising someone for smoking.

    They're well aware of the consequences but choose to live that way anyway.

    Unless they are open to debate/criticism I just think it's unnessecary.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    If someone is costing society thousands/ millions pounds on healthcare because of their lifestyle choices we can criticise. Why not? If we don't criticise it will become normal and cost the UK billions more and we dont want that do we?
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    It is our business and we should criticise their choice if it's costing us a lot of money and putting unnecessary strain on the NHS.
    There's probably a lot of things you and I do that put unnecessary strain on the NHS.

    None of us live the ideal healthy lifestyle where the cost to the NHS would be at a minimum. Therefore you can't objectively draw a line as to how healthy one 'should' live without some sort of criticism.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    There's probably a lot of things you and I do that put unnecessary strain on the NHS.

    None of us live the ideal healthy lifestyle where the cost to the NHS would be at a minimum. Therefore you can't objectively draw a line as to how healthy one 'should' live without some sort of criticism.
    Utterly ridiculous. Why would I put 'unnecessary' strain on the NHS? Haven't been to a Doctors or Hospital in over 3 years.

    Peoples lifestyle choices make them more vulnerable to illnesses, disease and death? If an accident happens and you need a Doctor fair enough but if its a lifestyle choice thats caused it? Allow critism. You're in denial.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Utterly ridiculous. Why would I put 'unnecessary' strain on the NHS? Haven't been to a Doctors or Hospital in over 3 years.

    Peoples lifestyle choices make them more vulnerable to illnesses, disease and death? If an accident happens and you need a Doctor fair enough but if its a lifestyle choice thats caused it? Allow critism. You're in denial.
    Well yes many diseases come from lifestyle choices. Just because you haven't been to the doctor in 3 years (and there probably are overweight individuals in the same boat) doesn't mean you've made unhealthy choices which put you at a higher risk of contracting some illness.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Well yes many diseases come from lifestyle choices. Just because you haven't been to the doctor in 3 years (and there probably are overweight individuals in the same boat) doesn't mean you've made unhealthy choices which put you at a higher risk of contracting some illness.
    Are you saying im at the same risk of someone that is obese? or someone that smokes? You obviously don't know the damage they cause. You're in denial. Are you fat too?
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    There's probably a lot of things you and I do that put unnecessary strain on the NHS.

    None of us live the ideal healthy lifestyle where the cost to the NHS would be at a minimum. Therefore you can't objectively draw a line as to how healthy one 'should' live without some sort of criticism.
    Of course there are but obesity is currently one of the biggest drains on resources in the NHS and is, for the most part, entirely self inflicted.

    West Midlands ambulance service had to purchase bigger ambulances to carry obese people. It cost thousands. Name another self-inflicted condition that requires whole new ambulances to be purchased specially.
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    People need to learn that there is an in-between when talking about fat and skinny.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Are you saying im at the same risk of someone that is obese? or someone that smokes? You obviously don't know the damage they cause. You're in denial. Are you fat too?
    LMAO I'm actually trying to put on weight atm - not like it would contribute to your argument anyway.

    I didnt say that. I just said theres no fine line. Would you want to ban smoking?

    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Of course there are but obesity is currently one of the biggest drains on resources in the NHS and is, for the most part, entirely self inflicted.

    West Midlands ambulance service had to purchase bigger ambulances to carry obese people. It cost thousands. Name another self-inflicted condition that requires whole new ambulances to be purchased specially.
    Well smoking also drains money and puts strain on the NHS. But no I don't think they need new ambulances for smokers.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Well smoking also drains money and puts strain on the NHS.
    Lol, that question at the end was designed to get that reply. You couldn't answer the rest so settled for the easier question. 2/10 trolling
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Lol, that question at the end was designed to get that reply. You couldn't answer the rest so settled for the easier question. 2/10 trolling
    I edited my post. I basically said something similar to the other user and sort of assumed you'd see it so I wouldn't have to write the same thing twice.

    And you're clearly talking a load of crap- you genuinely hought I was fat lol
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    I edited my post. I basically said something similar to the other user and sort of assumed you'd see it so I wouldn't have to write the same thing twice.
    Edited after I replied. There is a fine line my lifestyle is no threat to my health. Im extremley fit and workout 6 days a week. Unless I had an injury during trainjng - which would be a relative small cost to NHS as oppossed to keep seeing GP about losing weight, Surgeries etc than im at no cost to the NHS lol. What im saying is being fat and smoking increases the chances of needing to be seen by a Doctor, does it not? Being fat and smoking increase your chances of Heart attack, stroke, Cancer, Parkinsons disease, degenrative bone conditions, soft tissue damage, need I say more? Yes I want smoking banned. Costs us millions every year while thousands mourn at the death of loved ones because of smoking, might understand if you've lost someone cause of it.
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    But a lot of skinny, non smokers are usually the ones getting cancer...
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Edited after I replied. There is a fine line my lifestyle is no threat to my health. Im extremley fit and workout 6 days a week. Unless I had an injury during trainjng - which would be a relative small cost to NHS as oppossed to keep seeing GP about losing weight, Surgeries etc than im at no cost to the NHS lol. What im saying is being fat and smoking increases the chances of needing to be seen by a Doctor, does it not? Being fat and smoking increase your chances of Heart attack, stroke, Cancer, Parkinsons disease, degenrative bone conditions, soft tissue damage, need I say more? Yes I want smoking banned. Costs us millions every year while thousands mourn at the death of loved ones because of smoking, might understand if you've lost someone cause of it.
    Would you ban extreme sports and contact sports? (I.e. risk of injury - cost to the nhs)
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    Because it's exactly like criticising someone for smoking.

    They're well aware of the consequences but choose to live that way anyway.

    Unless they are open to debate/criticism I just think it's unnessecary.
    Honestly I consider smoking to be far worse. It has much more obvious side effects and directly affects the people around you. The negative effect it has on the body cannot be mitigated by a little exercise. The motivation to start smoking is far lower than the motivation to eat some unhealthy food. Smoking is also not good for you, regardless of whether you do it a lot or a little but unhealthy food in moderation won't make you obese. There's some clear distinctions between the two.

    But I ultimately see no reason why they can't be criticised. You can consider it unecessary but then their choice to harm themselves is also unnecessary. I completely understand your point, if they want to just let them. That's fine. But it has negative impacts on other people, in particular it sets a poor precendent. Subconsciously, a lot of young people will look up to adults as role models. Criticism of these people is necessary if they are fully aware that they are harming themselves and would still like to be obese or smoke. It's really no different from a slow form of suicide and that's not a healthy thing to promote. Sure, let people do what they want if it has absolutely no impact on others. But ideally it would be best to totally erradicate things like smoking and obesity. Will it happen? No, of course not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

    Letting people make their own choices is not a free pass to do something stupid and not have people judge you.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Would you ban extreme sports and contact sports? (I.e. risk of injury - cost to the nhs)
    You're an idiot. Go back to school. Sport still has its benefits and its fun - Smoking/Obesity? What benefits and is it fun? No, does it limit you? Yes, are operations etc more expensive? Yes, is there more of a risk to life? Yes. Bless you. Comparing a Sport to that of Smoking and Obesity < in which most Sports clubs have there own physios etc and the NHS sometimes aren't even involved unless its a break.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    I edited my post. I basically said something similar to the other user and sort of assumed you'd see it so I wouldn't have to write the same thing twice.

    And you're clearly talking a load of crap- you genuinely hought I was fat lol
    Load of crap you're talking, cant even read either. I did think or say I thougbt you were fat, I asked the question; 'Are you fat?', where does that imply I think you're fat? Weak arguments.
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    (Original post by Acsel)
    Honestly I consider smoking to be far worse. It has much more obvious side effects and directly affects the people around you. The negative effect it has on the body cannot be mitigated by a little exercise. The motivation to start smoking is far lower than the motivation to eat some unhealthy food. Smoking is also not good for you, regardless of whether you do it a lot or a little but unhealthy food in moderation won't make you obese. There's some clear distinctions between the two.

    But I ultimately see no reason why they can't be criticised. You can consider it unecessary but then their choice to harm themselves is also unnecessary. I completely understand your point, if they want to just let them. That's fine. But it has negative impacts on other people, in particular it sets a poor precendent. Subconsciously, a lot of young people will look up to adults as role models. Criticism of these people is necessary if they are fully aware that they are harming themselves and would still like to be obese or smoke. It's really no different from a slow form of suicide and that's not a healthy thing to promote. Sure, let people do what they want if it has absolutely no impact on others. But ideally it would be best to totally erradicate things like smoking and obesity. Will it happen? No, of course not. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

    Letting people make their own choices is not a free pass to do something stupid and not have people judge you.
    Someone with sense. Be careful, the poster is ignorant and will argue you.
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