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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Which story have I changed? I've consistently said it's a good thing to have an accredited degree for engineering. And If your definition of "prestige* is offering accredited degrees then I can support that too.

    By the way, its a public forum.
    You said accreditation is important, I said reputation is important. You said reputation didn't matter, I showed that better reputation generally means better accreditation. Then you suddenly said accreditation doesn't actually matter to the employers after all. Make your damn mind up.

    Yes it's a public forum but it's weird af to go through all someone's posts to try and find out stuff about them.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    You said accreditation is important, I said reputation is important. You said reputation didn't matter, I showed that better reputation generally means better accreditation. Then you suddenly said accreditation doesn't actually matter to the employers after all. Make your damn mind up.

    Yes it's a public forum but it's weird af to go through all someone's posts to try and find out stuff about them.
    It's the accreditation that matters in that equation, not the "prestige". Edit: and tell me where I said accreditation is important to employers? It's important to the student for the reason I gave.

    Prestige is more generally considered to be a much narrower selection of universities: more usually only some RGs plus notable non-RGs like St Andrews and Bath. Prestige is a more nebulous idea than being a "good university". Loughborough, UEA and Surrey are "good universities" but few would say they are prestigious.
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    Yes and the more prestigious universities are higher accredited. What part of this is so difficult for you to grasp?
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Yes and the more prestigious universities are higher accredited. What part of this is so difficult for you to grasp?
    Linking to a spreadsheet and saying it proves your point is self fulfilling when you haven’t defined prestigious or provided any analysis of the spreadsheet beyond your vague impression.

    Which universities would you describe as prestigious? Which would you describe as good? Which would you describe as weak?
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    (Original post by PQ)
    Linking to a spreadsheet and saying it proves your point is self fulfilling when you haven’t defined prestigious or provided any analysis of the spreadsheet beyond your vague impression.

    Which universities would you describe as prestigious? Which would you describe as good? Which would you describe as weak?
    Have you seen the size of the spreadsheet? You might have nothing better to do with your life but that doesn't mean I do.
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    (Original post by Science99999)
    The finance and law sector are obsessed with applicants being educated either at Oxbridge, Imperial, Kings, UCL or LSE. Although, for other subjects this "criteria" is insignificant.
    You forgot Warwick(also a target for Banks)
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    (Original post by hysterria)
    Hi TSR,

    I have an offer from a very prestigious RG uni, top 10 in the UK. Obviously I should be happy about having the opportunity to go to such a great uni, but I'm seriously considering turning it down in favour of a much less prestigious university (about 30 places lower in the league tables).

    I've visited both unis and preferred the less prestigious one, because it's more of a campus uni, all a bit more small-scale, and the staff were much more friendly. It seemed to be a place that suits me better, and I also prefer the course content. It's also quite highly regarded for my course, hmore so than the RG uni. However, I do think that the people at the RG uni will be more academically inclined and since I'm quite academical myself, maybe it'll be easier for me to make friends there. And I've just read so much about attending a good uni really helping in further study/employment, so maybe it'd just be plain stupid to turn the RG uni down.

    I'm really unsure of what to do, advice would be more than welcome


    Honestly it sounds like, from the reasons u gave, there’s no reason to turn down the lower uni!! There’s no use going to a uni where you risk being unhappy just because it ranks at a higher level. It’s much better for you to be somewhere that your gut is telling you is right, rank tables are just a number and even at 30 places below that’s not a bad uni!!!! Also being better regarded course wise is super important too. You shouldn’t sacrifice ur enjoyment and experience at uni for a bit of peace of mind when it comes to job hunting and the name on your degree 3/4 years later bc we’re all joining the rat race together shdjsjndnd and that’s something we’ll deal with when we get to it. IMO id go for the lower uni without question
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Have you seen the size of the spreadsheet? You might have nothing better to do with your life but that doesn't mean I do.
    I didn’t ask you to analyse the data. I asked you to list some examples of universities you class as prestigious, good and weak.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    I didn’t ask you to analyse the data. I asked you to list some examples of universities you class as prestigious, good and weak.
    Good: any RG, some others like Bath, St Andrews, Loughborough

    Weak: any ex-poly

    And there's some middle-y ones like Aston
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Good: any RG, some others like Bath, St Andrews, Loughborough

    Weak: any ex-poly

    And there's some middle-y ones like Aston
    Prestigious?
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    (Original post by PQ)
    Prestigious?
    Good/prestigious, same thing really
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    (Original post by hysterria)
    Hi TSR,

    I have an offer from a very prestigious RG uni, top 10 in the UK. Obviously I should be happy about having the opportunity to go to such a great uni, but I'm seriously considering turning it down in favour of a much less prestigious university (about 30 places lower in the league tables).

    I've visited both unis and preferred the less prestigious one, because it's more of a campus uni, all a bit more small-scale, and the staff were much more friendly. It seemed to be a place that suits me better, and I also prefer the course content. It's also quite highly regarded for my course, hmore so than the RG uni. However, I do think that the people at the RG uni will be more academically inclined and since I'm quite academical myself, maybe it'll be easier for me to make friends there. And I've just read so much about attending a good uni really helping in further study/employment, so maybe it'd just be plain stupid to turn the RG uni down.

    I'm really unsure of what to do, advice would be more than welcome
    There's no easy advice I think, only you know why you want to do a degree. Giving you some background, I chose prestige when I was in upper sixth, already knowing I want to get into academia. I ended up at UCL, where I am currently doing my final year and from which I am moving onto a doctorate (most likely Oxford). I have to say I lucked out that I had a great time here, both academically and socially.

    The impact of prestige depends largely on the kind of career you want, if you're aiming for one of the more competitive fields (e.g. academia, investment banking, etc) it would probably help - but it will not be a deciding factor. I have met some scientists who went to former polytechnics (in terms of reputation probably much worse than Abderdeen) who moved onto Master's at places like Imperial College. Equally, UCL's prestige did help in my postgraduate applications (how much of that is the lab at UCL I interned in, or the uni as a whole, nobody knows).

    That said, I do think your undergraduate degree is too unique an experience to decide only by reputation of the university, while Aberdeen is no Edinburgh it is by no means a bad university! While you may enjoy the location better at Aberdeen, it is probably true that your peers would be more acadmeically curious if you opt for Edinburgh. I honestly think both factors are important in determining whether you have a good time at uni or not.

    Also, league tables really don't matter. What gets you a job/postgraduate place always going to be something you've done, no degree is a golden ticket to a productive career.
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    (Original post by uberteknik)
    High achievers are highly self motivated. If you need others to motivate you, I'm sorry to break it, but you ain't a high achiever.

    The higher up the ladder you get, the lonelier it gets. That is a lesson you have yet to learn.
    I completely agree with you. :congrats::congrats:
    Well said.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Good/prestigious, same thing really
    Is it? So all universities in the RG are prestigious? And Loughborough is prestigious? Interesting. So are Kent, Sussex and Reading prestigious? They are above some RG universities. As I said, usually "prestigious" is a rather more select group.

    And if you care to reply to my earlier post, make sure you cover off my edit. Thanks.

    Oh, and I'm still interested to hear about your placement year.
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    The other danger of focusing on rankings is they change...

    Just been having a look at the CUG from 2008. Below the top 10 it's rather different to today's ranking.

    e.g. Aston is 12th, Manchester 31st.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20110827...ankings?y=2008
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    (Original post by Science99999)
    Examples? Medicine really don't care which university you go to. Subject degrees arent even considered since it's a subject, and the content is the same. Engineering? Majority of universities that provide engineering courses are highly ranked, in addition to this, having an engineering degree is valued as a whole.
    Agriculture and Animal Sciences care too. There are some unis people have never heard of that are very highly ranked in the right circles.
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    I have the same issue but different! I have offers from RG unis in England (Bristol/KCL) and non RG in Scotland (Aberdeen/Strathclyde) and have no idea how to decide as I am choosing between £9000 a year or no tuition fees as I am Scottish- my decision will have to be based on if RG is worth it!
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    (Original post by ellamax123)
    I have the same issue but different! I have offers from RG unis in England (Bristol/KCL) and non RG in Scotland (Aberdeen/Strathclyde) and have no idea how to decide as I am choosing between £9000 a year or no tuition fees as I am Scottish- my decision will have to be based on if RG is worth it!
    It's probably better to ignore the money side for now. Which course/university do you prefer?
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    (Original post by Elvean)
    Agriculture and Animal Sciences care too. There are some unis people have never heard of that are very highly ranked in the right circles.
    Indeed, and that's different to the general idea of "prestige".

    Some specialist courses at less well-known universities are extremely well-regarded.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    It's probably better to ignore the money side for now. Which course/university do you prefer?
    Prefer the courses I was offered at the Scottish unis however I prefer Bristol and London as cities! Very difficult.
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