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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    He was successful in business, not engineering. His degree was irrelevant. He could've been just as successful without the degree.

    QUB and Liverpool are considered to be the bottom end of RG and aren't considered especially prestigious in engineering. Most RGs do not accept grades that low. You haven't regularly interviewed students in that situation because the truth is most RGs don't accept grades that low. Obviously there are some exceptions but it's far from the norm.

    You honestly think people who's job it is to turn out the most hirable candidates don't know what employers are looking for?

    The American system is very different. Going to university in your own state is much cheaper than going to university in another state. And this affects students decisions about where to go, meaning that it isn't necessarily about prestige and more about money.

    Why do RG unis have higher entry requirements then? Surely if it makes no difference then all universities would recruit students equally and have the same requirements. The fact is that non-RGs aren't as good so they have lower entry requirements in order to try and get students to apply there.
    Dear goodness. You actually believe say, that St Andrews or Bath aren't as good as some RG universities??

    RG have higher requirements as part of their value proposition is exclusivity and prestige. This however, as Boliver's report highlights, is often a case of successful marketing and not based on any actual evidence (of which, I've noticed, you've yet to provide any).

    FYI also: QUB is actually ranked in the top 15 for Electronic & Electrical Engineering by many of the rankings for universities in the UK, if you put stock in such things.
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    Edingburgh just gives far better life chances! people dont take that into account when choosing universities, but they should!
    But it really doesn’t. Edinburgh is more “prestigious” perhaps on league tables, etc. But take 1 student from each uni doing the same subject, both finishing with a first class. Employers won’t favour any of them based on uni prestige. But rather on extra curriculars and work experience.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    I disagree for the reasons I have stated in my other posts but you're entitled to your opinion.
    And I think the reasons you have provided are incorrect, for the reasons I have provided.
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    Dear goodness. You actually believe say, that St Andrews or Bath aren't as good as some RG universities??

    RG have higher requirements as part of their value proposition is exclusivity and prestige. This however, as Boliver's report highlights, is often a case of successful marketing and not based on any actual evidence (of which, I've noticed, you've yet to provide any).

    FYI also: QUB is actually ranked in the top 15 for Electronic & Electrical Engineering by many of the rankings for universities in the UK, if you put stock in such things.
    St Andrews and Bath have the same entry requirements as RG unis. Ok I'm literally done with this level of stupidity.
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    But it really doesn’t. Edinburgh is more “prestigious” perhaps on league tables, etc. But take 1 student from each uni doing the same subject, both finishing with a first class. Employers won’t favour any of them based on uni prestige. But rather on extra curriculars and work experience.
    I wouldnt be so sure, especially elite jobs do filter candidates by university attended.
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    (Original post by Acsel)
    No matter what you choose, life will go on regardless. There isn't a wrong choice to make here because no matter what you pick, you'll never know what would have happened if you'd picked the other uni.

    While there are always going to be some merits for attending a higher ranked uni, I think a student who is happy at university and enjoys their time is likely to do better. At the end of the day, if you are spending 12 hours a week in class but need to do 40 hours per week then your time at university is actually only making up a third of your degree. The effort you put in yourself outside class, the effort that actually gets you a grade and the effort that you spend the most time on is largely not impacted by the university you are at.

    It sounds like you are favouring the non-RG uni over the RG uni. Regardless of what pressure you might be under to make a choice, I think you should decide entirely for yourself. Go to both unis again if you can and get a feel for everything.

    At the end of the day, if you are motivated you will reach your potential. Part of your motivation is going to come from friendly staff and an environment you like to be in. Your ability is largely not going to change between the two unis you have in mind, it makes far more sense to use your ability in a place you enjoy than go somewhere that you might think is a little more cold and second guessing your decision. Go wherever you will be happy. If that means non-RG and people are unhappy with you then so be it. This is your education, nobody else's and odds are regardless of which you pick you will do well.
    Thank you so much for your reply! You're definitely right, it just feels a bit counter-intuitive to turn down the better uni, especially since they've given me the exact same offer as the other uni haha.

    I think I should just go to Aberdeen then, and hopefully graduate with a first (I've no idea how difficult that'll be) and see where I can go from there.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    University of Manchester
    I find it interesting the only Engineering DoS I can find at Manchester (Dr Christopher Darkin) has co-authored a paper with the title "Evaluating the effectiveness of a “With Industrial Experience” programme in Electrical and Electronic Engineering."

    Unfortunately neither the text nor even the summary of the paper appears to be available.
    https://www.research.manchester.ac.u...c86b4ed0).html

    However it is uncommon for "prestigious" universities to offer industrial placement years, although Manchester does now. Universities such as Oxbridge, Imperial, Bristol, etc do not.

    Where did placements first start being offered? Loughborough (amongst others). i.e. the "unprestigious" universities...

    It seems this particular DoS has recognised the benefits of following the teaching practices of the more industry-focussed universities. :beard:
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Engineering is one of the industries least affected by "prestige" bias.

    Employers are looking for good people, especially in engineering.

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    Tbf, I think prestige can matter for engineering.. but not in the typical way it does for e.g. finance or law. Some departments have very strong reputations in engineering (e.g. Oil&Gas) but aren't traditionally prestigious universities.

    I'd garner that, on average, someone who went to a strong engineering university department will probably get more interviews than someone at a lesser known engineering university department.

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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    Tbf, I think prestige can matter for engineering.. but not in the typical way it does for e.g. finance or law. Some departments have very strong reputations in engineering (e.g. Oil&Gas) but aren't traditionally prestigious universities.

    I'd garner that, on average, someone who went to a strong engineering university department will probably get more interviews than someone at a lesser known engineering university department.

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    Yes indeed if, for example, Shell has had lots of success hiring good O&G engineers from (guessing) Aberdeen, or Brookes, or wherever, then they will be likely to interview more of their grads.

    When I was hiring (not engineering) we used to have good success with grads from a very particular course and that university is definitely not "prestigious".
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    (Original post by hysterria)
    Thank you so much for your reply! You're definitely right, it just feels a bit counter-intuitive to turn down the better uni, especially since they've given me the exact same offer as the other uni haha.

    I think I should just go to Aberdeen then, and hopefully graduate with a first (I've no idea how difficult that'll be) and see where I can go from there.
    Take your time deciding - there's no advantage to firming a choice early. Ideally no applicant would make their firm choice until mid April.

    And yes - choose the university that suits you. Dropping out or scraping a pass degree at a prestigious university wont do your future prospects any favours. Choose the course and university where you think you will thrive and fulfil your potential.
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    I wouldnt be so sure, especially elite jobs do filter candidates by university attended.
    How many "elite jobs" have you hired for or applied to?
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    I find it interesting the only Engineering DoS I can find at Manchester (Dr Christopher Darkin) has co-authored a paper with the title "Evaluating the effectiveness of a “With Industrial Experience” programme in Electrical and Electronic Engineering."

    Unfortunately neither the text nor even the summary of the paper appears to be available.
    https://www.research.manchester.ac.u...c86b4ed0).html

    However it is uncommon for "prestigious" universities to offer industrial placement years, although Manchester does now. Universities such as Oxbridge, Imperial, Bristol, etc do not.

    Where did placements first start being offered? Loughborough (amongst others). i.e. the "unprestigious" universities...

    It seems this particular DoS has recognised the benefits of following the teaching practices of the more industry-focussed universities. :beard:
    Most universities have to, there is absolutely nothing wrong with offering a placement that could potentially make a course less academic is there?

    It really just saves students the trouble of work experience, if i wasnt so old, i would have considered a placement year course... or maybe because im am older i should have.

    Other then maybe a top 5 uni why shouldnt a placement year especially for a pratical career hurt?
    and do you feel this diminishes university prestige?
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    I find it interesting the only Engineering DoS I can find at Manchester (Dr Christopher Darkin) has co-authored a paper with the title "Evaluating the effectiveness of a “With Industrial Experience” programme in Electrical and Electronic Engineering."

    Unfortunately neither the text nor even the summary of the paper appears to be available.
    https://www.research.manchester.ac.u...c86b4ed0).html

    However it is uncommon for "prestigious" universities to offer industrial placement years, although Manchester does now. Universities such as Oxbridge, Imperial, Bristol, etc do not.

    Where did placements first start being offered? Loughborough (amongst others). i.e. the "unprestigious" universities...

    It seems this particular DoS has recognised the benefits of following the teaching practices of the more industry-focussed universities. :beard:
    Yeah that's him! He did an industrial placement during his degree at UMIST (which is the precursor to the current degree at Manchester) so you're clearly talking bs. Considering the industrial placement is completely irrelevant to the degree itself, the fact that less prestigious unis offered them doesn't change the worth of the degree. I imagine they started offering them to persuade students to study there because they knew their degrees weren't as good and they wanted to attract better students. Now that a lot of prestigious universities also offer them, they're back to being worth less.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    How many "elite jobs" have you hired for or applied to?
    none, but thats not changing my worldview of well, reality. No matter how badly it tickles you.

    Really rich though coming from someone obsessed with university tables, yet tries to advocate that university prestige doesnt matter in enployment.
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    Take your time deciding - there's no advantage to firming a choice early. Ideally no applicant would make their firm choice until mid April.

    And yes - choose the university that suits you. Dropping out or scraping a pass degree at a prestigious university wont do your future prospects any favours. Choose the course and university where you think you will thrive and fulfil your potential.
    ouch, obviously OP is gifted if the admissions team at Edinburgh offered them a place.. Harsh attack implying they might potentially scrap a pass at Edinburgh and do better at more moderately ranked Aberdeen.
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    And for what it's worth

    Aberdeen Engineering grads earn substantially more than Edinburgh grads
    https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...-by-university
    (median earnings after 3 years - Aberdeen £43,500, Ed £35,200, after 1 year Ab £32,300 ed £29,400 and 5 yrs it's ab £49,000 Ed £36,700)

    (and the economist study is a pile of crap with *****y sample sizes - the LEO data looks at HMRC and DWP data to work out earnings)
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Yeah that's him! He did an industrial placement during his degree at UMIST (which is the precursor to the current degree at Manchester) so you're clearly talking bs. Considering the industrial placement is completely irrelevant to the degree itself, the fact that less prestigious unis offered them doesn't change the worth of the degree. I imagine they started offering them to persuade students to study there because they knew their degrees weren't as good and they wanted to attract better students. Now that a lot of prestigious universities also offer them, they're back to being worth less.
    Ah so he was at UMIST. That makes sense. A very good, albeit "non-prestigious", technology university. Got it. Thanks.

    So your "professional" opinion is that a year in industry is worthless? That's interesting. Does Dr Darkin agree?

    And, correct me if I'm wrong, but Dr Darkin, who went to a "non-prestigious" university is now a "top academic" with a successful career in industry behind him? Seems to have landed on his feet then despite everything... Please extend my congratulations to your relative.

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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    Other then maybe a top 5 uni why shouldnt a placement year especially for a pratical career hurt?
    and do you feel this diminishes university prestige?
    I don't. But "prestigious" universities tend not to offer them. Regrettably.

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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    ouch, obviously OP is gifted if the admissions team at Edinburgh offered them a place.. Harsh attack implying they might potentially scrap a pass at Edinburgh and do better at more moderately ranked Aberdeen.
    Studying somewhere you're unhappy is going to effect your chances of completing a degree and succeeding in getting the results you're capable of.

    It's not an attack:rolleyes: it's a reality that we see on TSR over and over - students choosing a university for reasons other than their own happiness/enjoyment of the course and then having to struggle through miserably (doesn't lend itself to high grades) or dropping out and transferring elsewhere.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Ah so he was at UMIST. That makes sense. A very good, albeit "non-prestigious", technology university. Got it. Thanks.

    So your "professional" opinion is that a year in industry is worthless? That's interesting. Does Dr Darkin agree?

    And, correct me if I'm wrong, but Dr Darkin, who went to a "non-prestigious" university is now a "top academic" with a successful career in industry behind him? Seems to have landed on his feet then despite everything... Please extend my congratulations to your relative.

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    UMIST was a very prestigious university, hence why it was merged with Victoria University of Manchester and kept on, despite Victoria having it's own technology department.

    No, that's not what I said at all. Don't try and twist my words. I think a year in industry is invaluable but it changes nothing about how good the actual degree is.

    He went to a very prestigious university in his field. You're literally just talking nonsense now.
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