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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Well I don't know what reputation Salford had back in the 90s, but it must have been an excellent one if it was on par with UMIST.
    They were both considered good universities. Not prestigious though. If umist was prestigious then Manchester wouldn’t have distanced itself so much from the brand after the takeover. And wouldn’t have tumbled down the league tables by 10-20 places immediately after.
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    And here’s the problem with trying to use rankings of ‘prestige’. UMIST was certainly not considered a prestigious university, but you’ve got a different perception. Who’s right?

    In the engineering world, backing up what’s been said elsewhere in the thread, employers do not care about universities or RG. Anyone with a decent grade in an accredited MEng will be well regarded.
    UMIST most certainly was considered a prestigious university in its field.

    So you're honestly telling me that if there were two candidates for a job, one from a top RG university and one from an ex-poly, both with the same grades and with very similar CVs; that the RG candidate wouldn't be preferred over the ex-poly candidate? Despite the fact that it was harder for the RG candidate to achieve the grades they got. You're deluded mate.

    And considering one of the guys on here was a blatant troll, I wouldn't put too much faith into the fact that a couple of people agreed with you.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    They were both considered good universities. Not prestigious though. If umist was prestigious then Manchester wouldn’t have distanced itself so much from the brand after the takeover. And wouldn’t have tumbled down the league tables by 10-20 places immediately after.
    From what I know (and have seen from having a quick look on Google), Salford was never considered particularly good but UMIST was considered excellent. Hence why Victoria kept its engineering departments virtually untouched in the merger. Obviously rankings would've been low initially while they sorted everything out but it's now one of the highest ranked unis in the country, especially for engineering.
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    (Original post by hysterria)
    Hi TSR,

    I have an offer from a very prestigious RG uni, top 10 in the UK. Obviously I should be happy about having the opportunity to go to such a great uni, but I'm seriously considering turning it down in favour of a much less prestigious university (about 30 places lower in the league tables).

    I've visited both unis and preferred the less prestigious one, because it's more of a campus uni, all a bit more small-scale, and the staff were much more friendly. It seemed to be a place that suits me better, and I also prefer the course content. It's also quite highly regarded for my course, hmore so than the RG uni. However, I do think that the people at the RG uni will be more academically inclined and since I'm quite academical myself, maybe it'll be easier for me to make friends there. And I've just read so much about attending a good uni really helping in further study/employment, so maybe it'd just be plain stupid to turn the RG uni down.

    I'm really unsure of what to do, advice would be more than welcome
    Where do you feel like you would be most happy? Xxx
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    UMIST most certainly was considered a prestigious university in its field.

    So you're honestly telling me that if there were two candidates for a job, one from a top RG university and one from an ex-poly, both with the same grades and with very similar CVs; that the RG candidate wouldn't be preferred over the ex-poly candidate? Despite the fact that it was harder for the RG candidate to achieve the grades they got. You're deluded mate.

    And considering one of the guys on here was a blatant troll, I wouldn't put too much faith into the fact that a couple of people agreed with you.
    You’re confusing ‘good at what it does’ (the reason why you had to add “in its field”) with ‘prestigious’. Ford make great transit vans but they're not a prestigious brand.

    As someone who has hired engineering staff, nope. The uni name makes FA difference. There’s always some better differentiator. Accredited MEng degrees are broadly comparable from a quality perspective.

    I really don’t care whether people on here agree with me or not, but it’s interesting their experience matches mine, don’t you think, ‘mate’?
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    From what I know (and have seen from having a quick look on Google)
    I bow to your superior knowledge:indiff:
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    (Original post by Duncan2012)
    You’re confusing ‘good at what it does’ (the reason why you had to add “in its field”) with ‘prestigious’. Ford make great transit vans but they're not a prestigious brand.

    As someone who has hired engineering staff, nope. The uni name makes FA difference. There’s always some better differentiator. Accredited MEng degrees are broadly comparable from a quality perspective.

    I really don’t care whether people on here agree with me or not, but it’s interesting their experience matches mine, don’t you think, ‘mate’?
    Prestigious/better in its field, same difference. Point is that all degrees are not equal.

    "Broadly comparable" ie not really comparable at all. Degrees are harder to obtain from better universities so if you're not considering the university at all then that's stupid.

    A couple of people agree with you, doesn't mean much. And I've noticed that people who go to ex-polys try to convince themselves that the uni doesn't matter because they don't want to admit that their degree is worth less.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    I bow to your superior knowledge:indiff:
    How else would you suggest I find out 20 years after the fact? 😂 Everyone uses Google mate, don't try and act like you're some superior being who has never obtained any information from Google.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Prestigious/better in its field, same difference. Point is that all degrees are not equal.

    "Broadly comparable" ie not really comparable at all. Degrees are harder to obtain from better universities so if you're not considering the university at all then that's stupid.

    A couple of people agree with you, doesn't mean much. And I've noticed that people who go to ex-polys try to convince themselves that the uni doesn't matter because they don't want to admit that their degree is worth less.
    You got me. Of my 3 degrees only one was from a RG uni so I obviously don’t know what I’m talking about.
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    (Original post by CrazyKittenLady)
    Where do you feel like you would be most happy? Xxx
    I'm finding that really hard to say without actually knowing what it's like, I think I could be happy at both places... I do think that the lower ranking uni seemed to care more, I contacted them to see whether I could attend a lecture and they were all like "oh yes of course! In fact, while you're at it, why don't we show you the medical building and the labs as well?" while the prestigious uni just simply said "no, we don't do that". Which of course would be a lame reason for choosing one uni over the other, but I felt as though in general, the lower ranking uni cares more about student satisfaction and offers options like placements and tutoring, whereas the prestigious uni felt more like a 'degree factory', quite impersonal and mostly aimed at just getting everyone through with as little hassle as possible. Though I might just be making that up :')

    And then there's course content, which is far better at the lower ranking uni.

    And I know prestige definitely isn't everything, but I suppose it comes with certain advantages, not just for further study/employment, but also in terms of facilities and academic inclination of the student body. I don't know exactly how big this difference will be, though, which is why it's really hard to make a decision!
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    (Original post by Duncan2012)
    You got me. Of my 3 degrees only one was from a RG uni so I obviously don’t know what I’m talking about.
    So I was interested to see if what you were saying about accreditation is true so I downloaded the IET's list of accredited courses from their website. I noticed that the majority of unis with better reputations have BEng degrees with partial CEng accreditation and MEng degrees with full CEng accreditation. The universities with lower reputations tend to offer BSc degrees rather than BEng degrees, and their bachelors degrees tend to be partially or fully IEng accredited and their masters degrees partially CEng accredited. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though.

    https://www.theiet.org/academics/acc...ditedprogs.cfm
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    Student satisfaction in generally higher in lower ranked universities. But I was thinking since you are research oriented, perhaps you could dig up some statistics about your specific subject regarding research quality and research intensity. Have checked "the complete university guide"? There you can compare courses
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    So I was interested to see if what you were saying about accreditation is true so I downloaded the IET's list of accredited courses from their website. I noticed that the majority of unis with better reputations have BEng degrees with partial CEng accreditation and MEng degrees with full CEng accreditation. The universities with lower reputations tend to offer BSc degrees rather than BEng degrees, and their bachelors degrees tend to be partially or fully IEng accredited and their masters degrees partially CEng accredited. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though.

    https://www.theiet.org/academics/acc...ditedprogs.cfm
    You’re not comparing like with like. The point is that one CEng-accredited MEng is broadly similar to another.

    And don’t forget the IET is just one of the engineering institutions.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    So I was interested to see if what you were saying about accreditation is true so I downloaded the IET's list of accredited courses from their website. I noticed that the majority of unis with better reputations have BEng degrees with partial CEng accreditation and MEng degrees with full CEng accreditation. The universities with lower reputations tend to offer BSc degrees rather than BEng degrees, and their bachelors degrees tend to be partially or fully IEng accredited and their masters degrees partially CEng accredited. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though.

    https://www.theiet.org/academics/acc...ditedprogs.cfm
    That's why everyone is telling you, so long as your degree is appropriately accredited it is absolutely fine, no matter the "name" of the university.

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    (Original post by Eirini Kakari)
    Student satisfaction in generally higher in lower ranked universities. But I was thinking since you are research oriented, perhaps you could dig up some statistics about your specific subject regarding research quality and research intensity. Have checked "the complete university guide"? There you can compare courses
    Yes I have! For my subject, Aberdeen's ranked 7th in the UK and Edinburgh only 22nd. Maybe course quality is more important than overall prestige indeed, but I doubt many people really look past the general rankings.
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    (Original post by hysterria)
    Edinburgh and Aberdeen, for Neuroscience.



    Thanks for the advice! I think you're right, I'm just worried about further study/employment mostly haha.
    Both are really posh areas in Scotland and you get free education so I wouldn't even be complaining (my old GCSE chemistry teacher came from Aberdeen & he was/is super smart. This was prolly like 70 years ago)
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    Then go for Aberdeen!!! I wish you success in this very interesting subject!
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    (Original post by E_M_M_I_E)
    Both are really posh areas in Scotland and you get free education so I wouldn't even be complaining (my old GCSE chemistry teacher came from Aberdeen & he was/is super smart. This was prolly like 70 years ago)
    Why were you taught chemistry by a 90-year-old?
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    (Original post by Notoriety)
    Why were you taught chemistry by a 90-year-old?
    He looked like the higher end of 70, but I expect smartarses on TSR. Probably 55 years ago or someit.
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    (Original post by Duncan2012)
    You’re not comparing like with like. The point is that one CEng-accredited MEng is broadly similar to another.

    And don’t forget the IET is just one of the engineering institutions.
    No the point is that reputation has a strong correlation to the type of accreditation. And considering most people don't check what type of accreditation a course has before applying for the university, it shows that reputation matters a lot.

    IET is one of the main ones and there's plenty of universities accredited by it to see a trend, that's a poor argument.
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