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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    That's why everyone is telling you, so long as your degree is appropriately accredited it is absolutely fine, no matter the "name" of the university.

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    Hi guys, just a side questions.

    What would you pick between UoBirmingham and UCL for Chemical Engineering?

    im kind of stuck between the two and need some advice, thanks in advance.
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    (Original post by MathSci1999)
    Hi guys, just a side questions.

    What would you pick between UoBirmingham and UCL for Chemical Engineering?

    im kind of stuck between the two and need some advice, thanks in advance.
    It should be an easy decision - would you be happy living in London for 3-4 years or not? Someone who would thrive in a London, UCL environment isn't likely to thrive on Birmingham's campus and vice versa.
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    It should be an easy decision - would you be happy living in London for 3-4 years or not? Someone who would thrive in a London, UCL environment isn't likely to thrive on Birmingham's campus and vice versa.
    I feel its similar for me, i see good things about both campuses, might feel better at Birmingham as its a campus uni more so.

    But just in terms of rep, everyone seems to think the choice should be UCL and UCL only, as its top 7 in the world and very prestigious.
    I just want to make the right choice
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    (Original post by MathSci1999)
    I feel its similar for me, i see good things about both campuses, might feel better at Birmingham as its a campus uni more so.

    But just in terms of rep, everyone seems to think the choice should be UCL and UCL only, as its top 7 in the world and very prestigious.
    I just want to make the right choice
    It's good to see someone in a similar situation. I think you should try visiting the universities just to get a feel of the environment, and also look at the course content as that's probably important too. Only you can choose the right uni so you shouldn't pay too much attention to what everyone's saying. Good luck!
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    (Original post by MathSci1999)
    I feel its similar for me, i see good things about both campuses, might feel better at Birmingham as its a campus uni more so.

    But just in terms of rep, everyone seems to think the choice should be UCL and UCL only, as its top 7 in the world and very prestigious.
    I just want to make the right choice
    Have you visited UCL? what did the students you spoke to think of the course? What about any employers that you're particularly keen to work for - do they have any recommendations?

    Looking at unistats there's some clear differences
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    Student satisfaction (particularly with teaching and the academic opportunities on the course) is higher at Brum
    Drop out rates are much higher at UCL (Brum had 60 students starting and 60 students qualifying, UCL had 90 starting and only 45 qualifying from the MEng). That is likely to do with UCL chucking anyone with lower grades off at BEng (whereas it looks like Brum allow students to continue to MEng regardless - they award degrees below a 2:1 to people getting an MEng).
    Entry grades are comparable, drop out after first year is comparable (a bit higher at UCL)
    Employment stats are a smidge better at UCL but they're based on a tiny sample size (salary is based on 10 students (20 at Brum), and the employment stats are based on 20 students (35 at Brum).
    Of the 15 students at UCL who graduated and gave employment info 45% were in business roles and another 35% in IT. Only 15% went on to engineering roles (compared to 20% at Brum).

    I'd say from that if you're not very motivated to self teach then UCL would be a riskier choice. If you definitely want to live in London and are interested in getting into consultancy or similar after graduating then UCL would win.
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    (Original post by Lily048)
    Well considering I was contacted by an employer yesterday purely because they saw what university I want to it obviously does have some bearing. It’s ignorant to think awards mean nothing - besides pushing universities UP the league tables it also shoves more “prestigious” ones further down


    What job have you got Lily? I’m interested in your sector to see which are ‘into’ RG only unis.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    No the point is that reputation has a strong correlation to the type of accreditation. And considering most people don't check what type of accreditation a course has before applying for the university, it shows that reputation matters a lot.

    IET is one of the main ones and there's plenty of universities accredited by it to see a trend, that's a poor argument.
    If you want to be an engineer but don’t bother checking what accreditations a course has before you start then you’re an idiot.

    I know what the IET is (I’m a Member), I was trying to be helpful and say there are other institutions too, in case a particular course wasn’t accredited by them.

    You’re still trying to argue with people who know a lot more than you do, so I’ll leave you to it.
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    (Original post by Izbizelsbels)
    What job have you got Lily? I’m interested in your sector to see which are ‘into’ RG only unis.
    I’m not at a Russell group university? It was for a consultancy firm in Peterborough hiring for recruitment analysts
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    (Original post by Duncan2012)
    If you want to be an engineer but don’t bother checking what accreditations a course has before you start then you’re an idiot.

    I know what the IET is (I’m a Member), I was trying to be helpful and say there are other institutions too, in case a particular course wasn’t accredited by them.

    You’re still trying to argue with people who know a lot more than you do, so I’ll leave you to it.
    Most courses say they're accredited and people just take that at face value. If you really think most 17 year olds bother researching into the type of accreditation and the differences between them then you're deluded.

    My point was that more prestigious universities/universities with a better reputation have better courses, and this proves that I was right.

    You know a lot more than me yet you said the uni doesn't make a difference and I've just proved that's not the case? Ok then...
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    Check out the new offering at Rotherham, of all places! Then whichever you choose will feel prestigious against that preposterous joke town non starter! 🤣😎
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    (Original post by Duncan2012)
    If you want to be an engineer but don’t bother checking what accreditations a course has before you start then you’re an idiot.

    I know what the IET is (I’m a Member), I was trying to be helpful and say there are other institutions too, in case a particular course wasn’t accredited by them.

    You’re still trying to argue with people who know a lot more than you do, so I’ll leave you to it.
    not sure if that would make you an idiot, someone could easily say your accredation is idiotic you should have went here and done xxx instead.. all subjective.
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    Have you visited UCL? what did the students you spoke to think of the course? What about any employers that you're particularly keen to work for - do they have any recommendations?

    Looking at unistats there's some clear differences
    eg
    Student satisfaction (particularly with teaching and the academic opportunities on the course) is higher at Brum
    Drop out rates are much higher at UCL (Brum had 60 students starting and 60 students qualifying, UCL had 90 starting and only 45 qualifying from the MEng). That is likely to do with UCL chucking anyone with lower grades off at BEng (whereas it looks like Brum allow students to continue to MEng regardless - they award degrees below a 2:1 to people getting an MEng).
    Entry grades are comparable, drop out after first year is comparable (a bit higher at UCL)
    Employment stats are a smidge better at UCL but they're based on a tiny sample size (salary is based on 10 students (20 at Brum), and the employment stats are based on 20 students (35 at Brum).
    Of the 15 students at UCL who graduated and gave employment info 45% were in business roles and another 35% in IT. Only 15% went on to engineering roles (compared to 20% at Brum).

    I'd say from that if you're not very motivated to self teach then UCL would be a riskier choice. If you definitely want to live in London and are interested in getting into consultancy or similar after graduating then UCL would win.
    Thanks so much for your detailed response.

    I think it comes down to the likeliness of getting to the top companies in the energy/oil/gas industry. Like i know obviously it depends on the individual but based on the either uni will i be disadvantaged going to one over the other? how do the top companies in this industry view both?

    i know if i wanted to go to IB then UCL would be the obvious choice, but i am 100% certain i want to do something related to energy/oil/gas industry, pure engineering industry, not just cash out with IB.
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    (Original post by MathSci1999)
    Thanks so much for your detailed response.

    I think it comes down to the likeliness of getting to the top companies in the energy/oil/gas industry. Like i know obviously it depends on the individual but based on the either uni will i be disadvantaged going to one over the other? how do the top companies in this industry view both?

    i know if i wanted to go to IB then UCL would be the obvious choice, but i am 100% certain i want to do something related to energy/oil/gas industry, pure engineering industry, not just cash out with IB.
    Get in touch with the HR/recruitment teams at the companies you'd like to work with and ask their opinion. Should only take an afternoon or so on the phone and you'll have a much more reliable response than anything anyone in TSR could tell you
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    (Original post by hysterria)
    Hi TSR,

    I have an offer from a very prestigious RG uni, top 10 in the UK. Obviously I should be happy about having the opportunity to go to such a great uni, but I'm seriously considering turning it down in favour of a much less prestigious university (about 30 places lower in the league tables).

    I've visited both unis and preferred the less prestigious one, because it's more of a campus uni, all a bit more small-scale, and the staff were much more friendly. It seemed to be a place that suits me better, and I also prefer the course content. It's also quite highly regarded for my course, hmore so than the RG uni. However, I do think that the people at the RG uni will be more academically inclined and since I'm quite academical myself, maybe it'll be easier for me to make friends there. And I've just read so much about attending a good uni really helping in further study/employment, so maybe it'd just be plain stupid to turn the RG uni down.

    I'm really unsure of what to do, advice would be more than welcome
    Having a prestigious university on your CV really is a huge help later on. It is likely to make your life easier when applying for jobs or further study. Employers don't really know how well regarded a university is for a specific subject unless it's really closely related to what they do. Prestigious names really have a lot of cachet with most employers.

    You might also feel the difference in funding - I moved from an very prestigious university where I did my undergraduate course to a slightly less prestigious (but still excellent) university for my Master's, and definitely felt that certain facilities were slightly worse at the second, e.g. fewer books were available in the library etc.

    A lot of your socialising happens outside of your course through sports and societies, so really it's likely that you'll fit in better somewhere more academic.
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    (Original post by MathSci1999)
    i know if i wanted to go to IB then UCL would be the obvious choice, but i am 100% certain i want to do something related to energy/oil/gas industry, pure engineering industry, not just cash out with IB.
    (Original post by PQ)
    Get in touch with the HR/recruitment teams at the companies you'd like to work with and ask their opinion. Should only take an afternoon or so on the phone and you'll have a much more reliable response than anything anyone in TSR could tell you
    And then it would be extremely helpful if you could report back with what Shell/BP/etc have to say about it
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    (Original post by Realitysreflexx)
    not sure if that would make you an idiot, someone could easily say your accredation is idiotic you should have went here and done xxx instead.. all subjective.
    I don’t see what point you’re trying to make? Some engineering degrees are accredited by some engineering institutions as meeting the academic requirements for registration as a Chartered Engineer with that institution. If you know that you want to be an engineer after uni, then you really should be asking whether the course is accredited before you apply, so you don’t waste time and money on a course that doesn’t provide what you’re needing. Nothing subjective about that.
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    (Original post by MathSci1999)
    I feel its similar for me, i see good things about both campuses, might feel better at Birmingham as its a campus uni more so.

    But just in terms of rep, everyone seems to think the choice should be UCL and UCL only, as its top 7 in the world and very prestigious.
    I just want to make the right choice
    I went to UCL and loved it - I recommend! As well as being a great institution, there are so many opportunities and things to do in London. It's an amazing student experience.
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    (Original post by Ropucha)
    Having a prestigious university on your CV really is a huge help later on. It is likely to make your life easier when applying for jobs or further study. Employers don't really know how well regarded a university is for a specific subject unless it's really closely related to what they do. Prestigious names really have a lot of cachet with most employers.

    You might also feel the difference in funding - I moved from an very prestigious university where I did my undergraduate course to a slightly less prestigious (but still excellent) university for my Master's, and definitely felt that certain facilities were slightly worse at the second, e.g. fewer books were available in the library etc.
    Apart from ‘fewer books in the library’ would you care to provide some evidence to back up your claims in your first paragraph please?
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    I think a year in industry is invaluable but it changes nothing about how good the actual degree is.
    And yet...
    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Year in industry every time. In the current climate relevant work experience is more valuable than any degree, no matter how good the university.
    Glad to see we agree after all. :yep:
 
 
 
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