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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    If we are gonna have mass civil dissabediance it needs to be about more than just remaining in the EU, which is a bit of a **** conservative government structure lets be honest. I'm not risking my life on the barricades just to get back in the EU club -____-
    What about the simple satisfaction from sticking it to the government? I for one would rather enjoy watching someone fling a bag of poop at May or torching the Tory HQ
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    (Original post by Napp)
    What about the simple satisfaction from sticking it to the government? I for one would rather enjoy watching someone fling a bag of poop at May or torching the Tory HQ
    I will never forgive the EU for shafting Syriza. I want to stick to them as much as the Tories.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    You're right obviously, but I've given up. If people are so hell-bent on self-destruction then okay.
    The UK is the 5th largest economy by nominal GDP. I think we will do just fine.
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    (Original post by howitoughttobe)
    Yes, 52% of the people who turned out to vote are radical conspiracy theorists and clueless anti-economists? Can you hear yourself right now?

    We voted to leave. We're going to leave. Please get over it. Posts like these pop up all the time and it's getting boring.

    Plus the Tories aren't hard right. They're barely even centre right.
    If we had another referendum the % voting to leave the EU would be higher than 52%.

    I just think the government needs to get on with Brexit.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I will never forgive the EU for shafting Syriza. I want to stick to them as much as the Tories.
    Was it the EU? Or the international banks? Or the IMF? I think when you look closely at what happened in Greece, the IMF played the most systematically negative role. The EU in fact tried to help more, albeit with the strange restrictions placed on the central bank by Germans obsessed with the hyperinflation of the 20s, which I call strange because that was induced deliberately by the German chancellor to get rid of their debt. The EU taxpayers did an awful lot of bailing out of Greece. The real underlying 'fault' was allowing Greece into the Euro in the first place and then (as with Ireland) allowing the banks to conspire with their government to run amok with lending on the assumption that the EU would eventually bail out any failures.
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    (Original post by Golden State)
    If we had another referendum the % voting to leave the EU would be higher than 52%.

    I just think the government needs to get on with Brexit.
    Polls show the reverse.
    https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ld-you-vote-2/
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Was it the EU? Or the international banks? Or the IMF?
    What's then flipping difference man.

    It isn't like the EU is a government stucture where you can send a party represeting labour into office. It's barely better than what passes for geopolitics.

    By all means lets create a federal Europe based around leftist internationalism. But just staying in the EU aint gonna do it.
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    TL;DR: "Wah, I'm not getting my way so I'm going to continue perpetuating lies to justify violence"
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Was it the EU? Or the international banks? Or the IMF? I think when you look closely at what happened in Greece, the IMF played the most systematically negative role. The EU in fact tried to help more, albeit with the strange restrictions placed on the central bank by Germans obsessed with the hyperinflation of the 20s, which I call strange because that was induced deliberately by the German chancellor to get rid of their debt. The EU taxpayers did an awful lot of bailing out of Greece. The real underlying 'fault' was allowing Greece into the Euro in the first place and then (as with Ireland) allowing the banks to conspire with their government to run amok with lending on the assumption that the EU would eventually bail out any failures.
    I'm not defending the IMF, but the EU was definitely malign to the Greeks as well. Both institutions are in hoc to the big international banks and Lagarde was fully signed up to the "protect the Euro at all costs" agenda. It was the EU that told the Greeks if they left the Euro they'd get kicked out of the EU, which was putting their political project squarely above the economic needs of the Greek people.

    The entire episode highlighted two of the main reasons I wanted to leave: the sheer corporatism bordering on corruption, and the fact that the way the EU makes decisions is frequently appalling, especially in a crisis.
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    All it takes for some people to believe there is some 'hard right' apocalypse on the horizon is for some useless Lefty mouthpiece prick in the Guardian to write an opinion piece claiming that. Easy is that.

    Nick got it right in his book, What's Left. It's a shame he is such an inveterate ideologue that even though he knows all about the folly and idiocy of the left better than most, he can't help exhibiting the same traits himself.

    Overturn the democratic will of 17 million people = fine.

    Attempt to uphold it = Hard Right Nutters that need to be violently opposed.
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    "saved from hard right" - so stupid. Why can't lefties accept not everyone is like them. Violence against people thinking differently? Talk about only being tolerant of things they like.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Was it the EU? Or the international banks? Or the IMF? I think when you look closely at what happened in Greece, the IMF played the most systematically negative role. The EU in fact tried to help more, albeit with the strange restrictions placed on the central bank by Germans obsessed with the hyperinflation of the 20s,
    True but iirc according to Varoufakis the IMF tended to be at least somewhat open to economic debate - they were at least conscious that there were other possibilities, and that they were choosing to continue their chosen course of action for political/ideological reasons, whereas the EU and ECB were so far ideologically invested that they could no longer see it, and struggled to even conceive of an alternative.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    whereas the EU and ECB were so far ideologically invested that they could no longer see it, and struggled to even conceive of an alternative.
    Which in a proper democracy you could vote them out of office.

    But alas, we are stuck with the (incompetant)technocrats.
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    (Original post by Underground906)
    All it takes for some people to believe there is some 'hard right' apocalypse on the horizon is for some useless Lefty mouthpiece prick in the Guardian to write an opinion piece claiming that. Easy is that.

    Nick got it right in his book, What's Left. It's a shame he is such an inveterate ideologue that even though he knows all about the folly and idiocy of the left better than most, he can't help exhibiting the same traits himself.

    Overturn the democratic will of 17 million people = fine.

    Attempt to uphold it = Hard Right Nutters that need to be violently opposed.
    Nick thinks poepe like you are morons.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Nick thinks poepe like you are morons.
    They think anyone but themselves are not morons. We live in the age of narcissism and delusion. None more so than the class Cohen represents and exemplified.

    Fat, comfortable, virtue signalling, champagne socialist posers who have shown just how much they really care about the worse off, which is sub-human dogshit.
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    (Original post by Golden State)
    If we had another referendum the % voting to leave the EU would be higher than 52%.

    I just think the government needs to get on with Brexit.
    I agree I think it would be.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Nick thinks poepe like you are morons.
    And he’d be part right. Some of the Leave voters were utterly unhinged.

    That said- centrists fail to see how utterly mental some in the Remain side have behaved since the vote too.

    I used to be a big fan of Nick, and I still sorta admire him. But still can’t help getting schafenfreude over watching his world implode with Corbyn and Trump. If people were merely robots then he and C. Hitchens would be right. As it is, humans are far more capricious, and well human.
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    Anything to do with the Left since is morphed from its working class roots into the dangerous totalitarian ideological dogma it has now become is wholly poisonous and malicious. Growing up working class I would believe all the hate about the 'evil tories' and the nasty right-wing and all that from all the leftists I was surrounded by.

    As soon as I grew up and evaluated conservatism beyond those stupid cliches and prejudices and falsehoods I realized how deeply malevolent and pathologically obsessed with simply opposing right-wingers at every cost the Left is and how unfounded and infantile their claims about what the other side of the political spectrum believe and why they believe it.

    Consider this. Earlier someone stated how proud they were that we British had let the guy who ended blowing all those kids into pieces in Manchester back in and didn't lock him up even though he was known for his extremist views by the authorities, as it was only right because he was a British citizen, ''look how tolerant, non-racist and inclusive we are to Muslims''. And being tolerant is far more important than the state preventing the slaughter of it's youngest, most innocent people going to a pop concert. People on the other hand who have dared to express views that aren't completely fawning about Islam are fascists though and shouldn't be let it and were right to be held under the terrorism act and harrassed by the police.

    That supposedly what British values is. How we are so tolerant we are willing to not even bat an eyelid if they commit mass murder of children and how we are superior to right wing people who would have violated his human rights by detaining him and trying to prevent the atrocity if they got the chance and intelligence had already alerted them of the guy's jihadist activity.

    It got 17 likes. Only on the demented imagination of useless, fat good-for-nothing lumps of excrement like Cohen and other delusional, out of touch leftist turds like him is a country where most of its young people agree with the sentiments above in danger of being overtaken by the ''hard-right''.


    It would be like VE day if the country was wrested back into the hands of people this frighteningly awful tub of lard labels 'hard-right'. It's not going to happen though. The young have been completely brainwashed and the perverse ideology that gives rise to the suicidal, sado-masochistic, irrational and mentally ill mentality above will persists for a long, long time unfortunately.

    It's like being in North Korea or Soviet Russia today with the levels of suppression of any political dissent from any way of thinking other than the state sanctioned ideology.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    And he’d be part right. Some of the Leave voters were utterly unhinged.

    That said- centrists fail to see how utterly mental some in the Remain side have behaved since the vote too.

    I used to be a big fan of Nick, and I still sorta admire him. But still can’t help getting schafenfreude over watching his world implode with Corbyn and Trump. If people were merely robots then he and C. Hitchens would be right. As it is, humans are far more capricious, and well human.
    It floored me when I found out prominant Remainiac Iain Dunt was writing pro Brexit articles before the referendum.

    https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/6...673792?lang=en

    The brass neck of these poeple have, knowing they are correct. Then go round labelling everyone else as mentally ill ideologues. You can't be writing things in favour of Brexit, then all of about pivot and proclaim it's madness to even entertain the ideo of leaving the EU.




    (Original post by Underground906)


    It's like being in North Korea or Soviet Russia today with the levels of suppression of any political dissent from any way of thinking other than the state sanctioned ideology.
    You wouldn't be able to post everything you just wrote onto a forum if that were true.
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