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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0479c0255e9c2

    What is so funny about all of this is that it is only happening because Labour tranphobes kicked up a big fuss about trans women. They overplayed thier hand and now look. Trans rights are totally entrenched as a priority for the Labour party :rofl2:

    Well done my dimb witted comrades.
    Parroting Owen Jones? This reads like a paraphrase of his tweets.

    "Oh no look, some women spoke up questioning what men are doing (and remember, trans women are men). We shut them up and put them in their place. Go us men".

    What's funny is that Labour will never win the next election like this.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Nope. That defeats the point of a shortlist.
    Letting men onto women's shortlist also defeats the purpose. A shortlist that anyone can identify into, has no concrete boundaries and is thus useless.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Yes because Trans poeple are like on a whole differnet level of being ****ed over by society. We want to help them as well.

    Let us deal with how we respond to LGBT politics. You continue doing whatever it is you do. Waving burning money at the homeless or whatever.
    Yes.

    But should women lose out and this "help" for trans comes at the expense of women.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    What makes this argument actually quite grimly amusing to watch is that nobody appears to have talked through the arguments for both sides. What we have instead is a largely identitarian fight with a bit of thoughtless virtue signalling thrown in. It's a reminder that almost no-one, especially within the left, is able to have a grown-up conversation anymore.
    That is not true at all. Radfems are no enemies of trans people. In fact, many used to be staunch pro-trans activists because they acknowledged the low standing they have in society. What changed was how in the last 5 years the trans agenda changed. It isn't transsexual anymore but transgender for starters. They want to get rid of sex, which is objective biological reality, and replace it by gender, which is "feelz". Next, largely white, middle-aged men saying they were women have taken over LGBT+ organizations and news outlet (pink news is run by a man and it is inherently misogynistic, ironic right). We are now at a stage where if you disagree with self ID, you are a "bigtot", "TERF", "transphobe".

    Any debating is silenced by those on the trans agenda coz "transwomen are women. FACT". Not to mention the gross abuse of "science", these people are literally telling others to "learn science". They actually believe "science" proves you can change sex because you feel like it. But that's a different matter. The virtue signalling is mostly done by organizations who give in when hounded by trans activists, and by so-deemed "brocialists", men who love pretending they're standing up for oppressed people, but really it's all about men and all about looking "good". See Owen Jones.

    As a slight aside, I think it's also worth noting that there's something of an incongruity in (a) insisting that gender is a significant enough factor in society that a gender group requires special protection in the form, here, of all-female shortlists, and (b), at the same time, maintaining that gender is nothing more than how a person happens to describe himself at any given moment.
    Of course. I keep asking them this very thing. They are not very good at addressing their inconsistencies and fallacies.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    there is no reason why Labour should not designate a seat to have an all-trans shortlist. Possibly in a former mining area such as Sedgefield or Chesterfield.
    And an all-trans shortlist makes much more sense than putting them into women's list. The latter is helping them and helping them be themselves. The latter is giving them women's backs (who fought for years for everything) as a stepping stone into the limelight.

    Google Lily Madigan. A narcissistic little angry boy who is a Labour CLP's "women's officer" but spends 99% of his time talking about trans issues not women's issues, and himself. The "me me me me" is big in trans. It's all about them. He thinks all cis women panels are ew but he would love all trans women panels. He is not a trans officer. He is a women's officer. You could not make it up.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...y_harmful.html

    Another article I can't find anymore was by a woman saying: "I learned to accept penis in showers". Transmaidens ftw.
    It's disturbing. At the moment, all this trans and gender fluid stuff is trivially dismissed as "pc gone mad". But that's how it's been quietly gaining traction. There was a recent case I read about where a woman having a smear test requested a female nurse and got a trans woman complete with stubble and a deep voice (he was clearly a man acting as if he were female). Realising this the woman refused to go ahead with the test as she felt uncomfortable. The hospital apologised, but it does make you wonder for how long will the woman's understandable distress be an acceptable reaction. This kind of blatant warping of reality used to be the preserve of religious fanatics.
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    (Original post by limetang)
    Why not? Women having to compete against everyone regardless of gender isn’t equality?
    They're not competing against everyone. They're competing against women and men that say they're women.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor asserting that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim, and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.
    He didn't make a claim, he simply said he wonders how many are abusing it to get ahead. In sport, there's already plenty.

    Tiffany Abreu is setting records already in Brazil's women's volleyball league (while having had played as a man for a second tier Dutch club, though supposedly being good for them, I dare say that is still far from being someone who breaks records). Hannah Mouncey in Australia's AFW. That New Zealand man who at 39 became weight lifting champion, for women after not achieving anything as a man.
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    (Original post by RivalPlayer)
    It's disturbing. At the moment, all this trans and gender fluid stuff is trivially dismissed as "pc gone mad". But that's how it's been quietly gaining traction. There was a recent case I read about where a woman having a smear test requested a female nurse and got a trans woman complete with stubble and a deep voice (he was clearly a man acting as if he were female). Realising this the woman refused to go ahead with the test as she felt uncomfortable. The hospital apologised, but it does make you wonder for how long will the woman's understandable distress be an acceptable reaction. This kind of blatant warping of reality used to be the preserve of religious fanatics.
    And they hide it under the banner of "oppression" - if you question they bring up suicide statistics (which are nonsense, check the actual level of suicides of trans teens, and if you control for mental illnesses that are prevalent in trans teens, the suicide rates are no larger) or murder rates (though again controlling for the fact that a disproportionately large number of them work in the sex industry, they actually get murdered at a lower rate than female prostitutes, and there's more trans women murderers than trans women murdered). And under the banner of being "progressive".
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Letting men onto women's shortlist also defeats the purpose. A shortlist that anyone can identify into, has no concrete boundaries and is thus useless.
    It makes sense when you view gender the way the Labour party now does. I know you don't. But the Labour party don't care what you think.
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    (Original post by yudothis)


    What's funny is that Labour will never win the next election like this.
    The Conservatives racism and xenophobia is more of a problem for them than this is for Labour. I'd argue at the very worse poeple just wont factor it in, apart from the mega bigots. Or it may actually help, in a time when the Conservatives are going down the social conservative what with Brexit and trying to yank off the conservative working class vote from Labour, Labour positioning itself as the kind liberal party may gain it votes from the Tories, along with all the ethnics that are not voting for a party that blames them for all the problems.

    There was a reason Cameron adopted social liberalism.

    I don't think Trans stuff puts people off, but it probably would shore up the Labour vote when it is framed in contrast with how nasty the Tories are being.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    And they hide it under the banner of "oppression" - if you question they bring up suicide statistics (which are nonsense, check the actual level of suicides of trans teens, and if you control for mental illnesses that are prevalent in trans teens, the suicide rates are no larger) or murder rates (though again controlling for the fact that a disproportionately large number of them work in the sex industry, they actually get murdered at a lower rate than female prostitutes, and there's more trans women murderers than trans women murdered). And under the banner of being "progressive".
    Yeah, it's all dressed up with nice fluffy words like progressive and compassion. It's all lies. We are (rightly) disgusted at the practice of FGM, but when the mutilation of healthy genitalia is done in the name of a progressive initiative, everyone is supposed to celebrate and unthinkingly support it.
    In what world is sabotaging a healthy functioning organ normal behaviour? If I said I felt I were one-armed man born in the "wrong body" therefore I wanted to amputate my healthy left arm to correct things, I have no doubt that people wouldn't hesitate to think I was mentally unwell.
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    The author of that article is utterly perverted. And why do these activiists conflate sex with gender?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
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    Ah! you are back. Are you going to answer my questions, or would you prefer to come up with some creative insults?
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    This is all getting very complicated, what is the latest definition of gender? Is it the physical definition or the mental one?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Ah! you are back. Are you going to answer my questions, or would you prefer to come up with some creative insults?
    I think I will just ignore you for the time being.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I think I will just ignore you for the time being.
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    (Original post by RivalPlayer)
    It's disturbing. At the moment, all this trans and gender fluid stuff is trivially dismissed as "pc gone mad". But that's how it's been quietly gaining traction. There was a recent case I read about where a woman having a smear test requested a female nurse and got a trans woman complete with stubble and a deep voice (he was clearly a man acting as if he were female). Realising this the woman refused to go ahead with the test as she felt uncomfortable. The hospital apologised, but it does make you wonder for how long will the woman's understandable distress be an acceptable reaction. This kind of blatant warping of reality used to be the preserve of religious fanatics.
    Go back 10 years and if you'd have warned about this, you'd have been accused of making a ridiculous strawman out of SJWs.

    'Tis indeed a slippery slope.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    What's funny is that Labour will never win the next election like this.
    Erm... who else are TERFs going to vote for?

    If embracing regressive ideologies like Islam didn't put them off voting for Labour, why would this?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    It makes sense when you view gender the way the Labour party now does. I know you don't. But the Labour party don't care what you think.
    It has nothing to do with what the Labour party think. Something without boundaries is useless. Anyone can take advantage of it. At least try to be logical.
 
 
 
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