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University Ranking (?) — QS, THE, ARWU watch

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    If so many people have been questioning the validity of such approach of measurements (especially on TSR): telling it’s an utter horsesh*t, biased, not based on scientific methods, etc. Then, how could these surveyors/organizations still be able to operate?

    (I’m referring to the top three: QS, THE and ARWU)

    or, those angry people are simply just frustrated by the fact that their unis aren’t as ‘high in the ranking’ as the top ones (Oxbridge)?

    PS: even me, im biased to say that QS and THE are more valid than ARWU since ARWU put unreasonably so many American unis at the top of their list.
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    Those are not the three top rankings per se. They are international rankings designed to differentiate generally between two universities in two different countries: Oxford to MIT, for example. But this undertaking tries to sort through thousands of universities and generally looks to place 800-1000 universities in the rankings. Of course, if there are 1000 universities and say there is inherent 10% error, that means a university could be out of place by 100 spots. In the UK domestic rankings, that means they could be out of place by 10 spots.

    Now are there universities in the domestic rankings 10 places out of where they should be? Seems so; universities often change position, some moving 10+ places over a 2-3 year period.

    But the real answer is that all the rankings are just an approximation of the ranking of the "best unis". They're not something to be taken seriously nor should they be perceived as definitive.
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    (Original post by Notoriety)
    Those are not the three top rankings per se. They are international rankings designed to differentiate generally between two universities in two different countries: Oxford to MIT, for example. But this undertaking tries to sort through thousands of universities and generally looks to place 800-1000 universities in the rankings. Of course, if there are 1000 universities and say there is inherent 10% error, that means a university could be out of place by 100 spots. In the UK domestic rankings, that means they could be out of place by 10 spots.

    Now are there universities in the domestic rankings 10 places out of where they should be? Seems so; universities often change position, some moving 10 places over a 2-3 year period.

    But the real answer is that all the rankings are just an approximation of the ranking of the "best unis". They're not something to be taken seriously nor should they be perceived as definitive.
    Unfortunately, these approximations are quite ‘misleading’ for international students since it’s one of our main information provider online.

    and still, not so many people have an understanding like you do.
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    how could these surveyors/organizations still be able to operate?
    They make money
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    Times for overall ranking

    QS for subject ranking

    ARWU tends not to truly reflect real prestige (perfect examples are LSE Durham St.Andrews which are ranked below Liverpool or Cardiff)
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    (Original post by Nathan9087)
    Times for overall ranking

    QS for subject ranking

    ARWU tends not to truly reflect real prestige (perfect examples are LSE Durham St.Andrews which are ranked below Liverpool or Cardiff)
    Agree. ARWU is ridiculously biased towards American unis.
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    (Original post by eloquent45)
    Agree. ARWU is ridiculously biased towards American unis.
    Yes that’s right, lots of American universities are ranked in the world top 50 which drives many reputable universities in the UK and many countries down further ^_^
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    ARWU is heavily fuelled by which universities spends the most on STEM research.

    QS is heavily fuelled by which universities have the most prestigious brands (especially in their local continent but also globally).

    THE tries to balance it all.
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    (Original post by eloquent45)
    Agree. ARWU is ridiculously biased towards American unis.
    ARWU is more of a pure research power ranking, which is why schools that have tons of research funding (aka US universities) do really well.

    I would argue that QS is the most "prestige" oriented ranking, THE is in the middle and ARWU is the more "research power" oriented ranking.
 
 
 
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