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    (Original post by PQ)
    What a boring world it would be if everyone ignored their interests to follow a single “approved” study and career path.

    (Do you really think stem would still attract a premium if everyone studied it? If you do then you might want to work a bit more on your economics studies).
    If everyone studied STEM the drop out rate would probably be 90%
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    Been singing that in my head since I read the title! :danceboy:
    You know the score.
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    (Original post by The Night King)
    Easy now Katie...Artists are no Civil Engineers
    I was in fact referring to architects but sure thing Night King
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    (Original post by katiegrace1)
    I was in fact referring to architects but sure thing Night King
    Ahhh architects. God created engineers so architects can have heroes too!
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    (Original post by The Night King)
    Ahhh architects. God created engineers so architects can have heroes too!
    Hahah wow this superiority complex is intense, without architects engineers would be nothing, without engineers architects would be nothing. Stop measuring the value of things off how much maths is involved.
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    (Original post by katiegrace1)
    Hahah wow this superiority complex is intense, without architects engineers would be nothing, without engineers architects would be nothing. Stop measuring the value of things off how much maths is involved.
    So you just admitted architects are engineer wannabes who can’t do maths. Gotcha :awesome:
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    (Original post by The Night King)
    So you just admitted architects are engineer wannabes who can’t do maths. Gotcha :awesome:
    Too easy :laugh: :laugh:
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    (Original post by The Night King)
    So you just admitted architects are engineer wannabes who can’t do maths. Gotcha :awesome:
    Pahhaha literally said nothing of the sort you absolute mug, pipe down and stop looking for attention on student forums x
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    Hook, line, sinker :laugh:
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    (Original post by katiegrace1)
    Pahhaha literally said nothing of the sort you absolute mug, pipe down and stop looking for attention on student forums x
    Ahhh why u mad doe. you’re an architect eh?

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    Too easy :laugh: :laugh:
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    I personally would rather be the best in arts instead of being average in science. If you love what you study you’ll be one of the best, no matter what it is, if you’ve got the hunger to succeed you will pave your own way to success. The best artists earn more than the average doctor. Most people choose to study a “safe” degree, which is completely fine but people that are able to succeed in the arts aren’t successful because they weren’t able to study a “safe”, more academic degree, they succeed because inspite of being able to do a normal degree, they chose to do art. They believe in themselves more than the average person and have the passion and dedication to do what they love. Many people are miserable studying a degree they don’t like and wish to study art but don’t believe in themselves enough to take the risk of following their dreams. Someone that wants to dedicate their life to art is constantly reminded by the school system that they’re inferior. Artists know about societies’ opinion on them, but still decide to pursue their dreams. There are very few people that are hungry enough to do that.
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    (Original post by TCA2b)
    There is so much mathematics in it that this is just plainly false. Not that that is necessarily how it should be, but as it stands it is far closer to a STEM subject than those two you mention.

    Also, I think people overrate the importance of a degree in becoming X. In some areas, yes you do need them and yes they do correlate directly to what you want to become. Yet doing a degree in business studies won't make you an entrepreneur, and doing a degree in fashion design or acting won't make you a designer or actor, respectively. In the end they are a means of studying a subject, no more, no less.



    I agree on this point. I don't see why these courses should be subsidised.
    Do a high level graduate course in any social science whether that be politics, sociology, and it'll have a high quantitative component. Economics is a social science, not a stem, this is actually fact and impossible to dispute. The whole point of "social science" is the application of scientific methods and theories to society, that's what economics is.

    Physical geography is STEM. You can't just pick and choose and claim a well paid non stem degree is stem and average stem one isn't stem to fit a certain narrative.

    Aside from Engineering, Medicine and Comp Sci most stem degrees are relatively pointless and no better than non-stem degrees when it comes to grad jobs.
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    FAME degrees are all relatively pointless anyway. You can do a 1-year masters in finance, management, accounting without prior background etc and most individual working for top end financial institutions will not have business management degrees they'll more than likely have a traditional degree, whether that be humanities or a science from a well-regarded target uni.
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    I'm guessing FAME is Finance, Accounting, Management and Economics?
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    (Original post by FloralHybrid)
    I'm guessing FAME is Finance, Accounting, Management and Economics?
    ???
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    (Original post by "mature"student)
    Do a high level graduate course in any social science whether that be politics, sociology, and it'll have a high quantitative component. Economics is a social science, not a stem, this is actually fact and impossible to dispute. The whole point of "social science" is the application of scientific methods and theories to society, that's what economics is.

    Physical geography is STEM. You can't just pick and choose and claim a well paid non stem degree is stem and average stem one isn't stem to fit a certain narrative.

    Aside from Engineering, Medicine and Comp Sci most stem degrees are relatively pointless and no better than non-stem degrees when it comes to grad jobs.
    The employment record of comp sci graduates is so bad that the government ordered two reviews into it.
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    (Original post by "mature"student)
    Do a high level graduate course in any social science whether that be politics, sociology, and it'll have a high quantitative component. Economics is a social science, not a stem, this is actually fact and impossible to dispute. The whole point of "social science" is the application of scientific methods and theories to society, that's what economics is.

    Physical geography is STEM. You can't just pick and choose and claim a well paid non stem degree is stem and average stem one isn't stem to fit a certain narrative.

    Aside from Engineering, Medicine and Comp Sci most stem degrees are relatively pointless and no better than non-stem degrees when it comes to grad jobs.
    I took a look at LSE's courses since it should be fairly representative. Of the three subjects, only Economics requires an A level in maths (as is typical at most universities) and only it has integrated mathematics into its main principles courses, plus courses in quantitative economics/econometrics, i.e. half the first year modules. Sociology has an "exploring numbers" type course and I didn't notice one for Politics. I don't see how they're comparable. There are even many prominent economists who think there is far too much maths in it without it making any useful contribution to the field's advancement but is instead regressing (no pun intended) it. Sure, a lot of social sciences have some element of statistics, because you need to understand it to grasp things such as surveys, which they use to conduct research, but not much more than this.

    I don't dispute that Economics is a social science, but the amount of maths in it is higher than some traditional STEM degrees, and that correlates to why its graduates can command such high salaries. This is because, despite it perhaps having a dubious relationship to the field's theoretical advancement, skills such as short-term demand forecasting, spreadsheet modelling etc. are highly useful to businesses and well remunerated. Hence why these skills are taught on Business Studies and Management courses as well, but even they don't compare to the level of mathematics on an econ course.


    (Original post by "mature"student)
    FAME degrees are all relatively pointless anyway. You can do a 1-year masters in finance, management, accounting without prior background etc and most individual working for top end financial institutions will not have business management degrees they'll more than likely have a traditional degree, whether that be humanities or a science from a well-regarded target uni.
    They may have finance degrees, though. Have you taken a look at the requirements for entry level graduate jobs in finance? More reputable unis won't let you do an MSc in Finance or Accountancy without some background in the field and certainly in the former's case, not without a strong quantitative background. That many in these sectors do not have these specific degrees is more a reflection of the fact that they were far less common decades ago than they are now. So it is unsurprising that most people in these industries probably don't have these degrees. Looking at their recent graduate workforce would be more instructive.
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    People work in order to make money so that they can be happy, if you can be happy by doing a job you want to do then money is not as important anymore
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