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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Try telling that to those with belief structures that say they do.
    I'm not saying they can't have one, they can worship however they like as far as I'm concerned. I just don't personally believe churches, mosques, temples are necessary in order to follow a religion.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    I'm not saying they can't have one, they can worship however they like as far as I'm concerned. I just don't personally believe churches, mosques, temples are necessary in order to follow a religion.
    They are necessary if your religious beliefs mandate it, this bill harms freedom of religion basically out of bigotry, it assumes that the foreign state funding automatically means there will be dodgy things, it does not require evidence that the funding poses a threat.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    They are necessary if your religious beliefs mandate it, this bill harms freedom of religion basically out of bigotry, it assumes that the foreign state funding automatically means there will be dodgy things, it does not require evidence that the funding poses a threat.
    I can't speak for the proposers of the bill, or it's other supporters, but that's certainly not why I back it.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    I can't speak for the proposers of the bill, or it's other supporters, but that's certainly not why I back it.
    The bigotry bit? I'm sure that isn't your reason, but the bill still runs contrary to your alleged belief in freedom on religion.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The bigotry bit? I'm sure that isn't your reason, but the bill still runs contrary to your alleged belief in freedom on religion.
    Not at all. The only restriction of freedom is the optional sources of funding are reduced. This isn't intended (from what I can tell) to restrict people's freedom to worship in any way.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    Not at all. The only restriction of freedom is the optional sources of funding are reduced. This isn't intended (from what I can tell) to restrict people's freedom to worship in any way.
    However that could end up being a consequence, again, based on assumption.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    However that could end up being a consequence, again, based on assumption.
    And since I'm not one for assumptions, I'm not going to oppose the bill based on that.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Nay. I don't see what benefit this brings.
    This bill is needed to tackle the issue of mosques being funded by foreign entities, in many cases, to promote and incite extremist Islamism in the UK, such as Jihad and Wahhabism.

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    Nay, this arguably attacks freedom of religion, a key principle of our free western civilisation.
    It does not attack freedom of religion we are not restricting religion. This bill aims to have mosques to declare the income sources. If they are being funded by a foreign entity they should be shut down since there's a high chance they are indoctrining people into terrorist.
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    This bill is needed to tackle the issue of mosques being funded by foreign entities, in many cases, to promote and incite extremist Islamism in the UK, such as Jihad and Wahhabism.
    Do you have any evidence that foreign sovereign bodies attempt to promote Islamic extremism in the UK? Sounds like scaremongering ******** to me.
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    I understand what this bill is trying to do and see the case for this, but ultimately it'll do very little to fight back against terrorism in the United Kingdom. Religious extremists will always find ways around legislation. As mentioned by others, I do not believe sacrificing values of freedom of religion is a price worth paying.
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    This bill is needed to tackle the issue of mosques being funded by foreign entities, in many cases, to promote and incite extremist Islamism in the UK, such as Jihad and Wahhabism.



    It does not attack freedom of religion we are not restricting religion. This bill aims to have mosques to declare the income sources. If they are being funded by a foreign entity they should be shut down since there's a high chance they are indoctrining people into terrorist.
    Hear, hear! It is not an attack on religion. If they want to practice their religious beliefs, then don't be funded by foreign entities.
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    (Original post by Saunders16)
    I understand what this bill is trying to do and see the case for this, but ultimately it'll do very little to fight back against terrorism in the United Kingdom. Religious extremists will always find ways around legislation. As mentioned by others, I do not believe sacrificing values of freedom of religion is a price worth paying.
    Freedom of religion is not being sacrificed. Places of worship may operate as long as they are not funded by foreign entities.
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    (Original post by Saunders16)
    Religious extremists will always find ways around legislation.
    How will they find their way around this?
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    And since I'm not one for assumptions, I'm not going to oppose the bill based on that.
    wut? You support a bill that closes places of worship on the assumption that foreign funding means they're a threat, and you claim your support is based on not being one for assumptions
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    How will they find their way around this?
    Simple, the government directs the funds via an NGO, hardly s complex concept, even for you
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    on the assumption that foreign funding means they're a threat
    That is not the reason I'm supporting this.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    That is not the reason I'm supporting this.
    What is, and explain how it's compatible with your alleged belief in freedom of religion?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    What is, and explain how it's compatible with your alleged belief in freedom of religion?
    I don't support organised religion. I think it's logical for me to support something that restricts funding options to organised religions. People can still have freedom of religion, and as far as I'm concerned this doesn't change that. If people wish to attend a place of worship funded by another country, they are not prevented from leaving this country for religious purposes.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Do you have any evidence that foreign sovereign bodies attempt to promote Islamic extremism in the UK? Sounds like scaremongering ******** to me.
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.a...cs-vs-evidence
 
 
 
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