I ain't buying any of this 'International Womens Day' / female self promotion

No one sits there making excuses for shyer boys or attributes any lack of success they experience to their shyness. I'd like to know which "studies" these are, as it's easy to produce a "study" arriving at a particular conclusion, much harder to back it up through a rigorous method and reproduce the results.

But the funny thing is, you’d agree with any old “study” that supported your opinion and disagree with anyone that goes against it. So transparent.

There’s a considerably body of psychological research into this, you can find it your self. Or do you need to me to show you how?

Of course a person would attribute a lack of success to a boys shyness?

Idiot.

Fine, however don't think I am going to "privilege" the use of the word "privilege" with any more dignity than it deserves. To me it is just envy dressed up in a finer gown. Yes, most traits aren't "earned" - it's what you do with them that counts. Equally, I will not - and I suggest no one else does so either - sit there pining over whether or not I "deserved" to inherit a particular trait, as it is meaningless in the context of natural selection, nor will I allow it to rob me of a sense of pride in those traits I do possess. I think it runs into soul-destroying nihilism when it gets to the point of simply explaining away all, most, whatever quantum of failures or successes as hinging on some highly abstract distillation of the fact that natural selection produces bell curve distributions along certain traits. Ultimately the excuses eventually must fall away and what a person should be judged on is how well they use their traits.



Agreed to that extent.

Hell I don’t even know where to start.... there’s just too much misogyny in one group of text.

Okay, so you believe that women are self pitying, and have too much self promotion, etc. 1- why the hell do you care??? Why does the rise of women somehow threaten you? Women can’t do a single f*cking thing nowadays without men having to give their entitled opinion, or act like women should actually care what they say. NEWSFLASH: women are empowering themselves BECAUSE of all the crap we’ve had to put up with in the past, usually due to men’s short comings.
Let me remind you that in America in the 1970s, women still couldn’t use a damn credit card without her husband’s ‘permission’, since he had to sign it off. And that worldwide, women are 80% of victims in acid attacks. And that in Canada, one in 5 women will be raped. And that in Hollywood, 96% of female actresses have encountered sexual assault in their career.
But no, you’re pissed that women are suddenly fighting back? GTF over it.

Are you honestly that small minded to think that just coz you’ve seen men apparently work harder in the workplace, suddenly ALL women are lazy?
Maybe the reason why women are less vocal in meetings is because douches like you believe women are too opinionated, too outspoken and b*tchy whenever they speak their mind. It’s also most likely due to the fact that women face LOTS more opposition to get jobs in STEM or big businesses, because misogynistic little boys like you believe the lies you’ve been told since the f*cking Middle Ages: that women are less capable than men.

I’ve grown tired of little menininsts like you who have to direct every problem back to how “men are so hardly done by”, “men are so disadvantaged”, bla bla bla. Can’t you just accept that both men and women face problems? Instead of belittling women’s issues to give yourself a booster, try and empathise first. Trust me, I could rant about this for hours, but you’re attention span’s probably ran out by now anyway.

...This is 2018, not the 1970's dear...

A little rant as I've grown tired of this self promotion, self pitying mantra that young women are putting out on their social media.

In all my experience of University and working at an investment bank - when the class ended it was only boys who queued up to speak to the lecturer, it was mostly boys who asked questions in class, it was mostly boys who hadthe courage to lead socieites on their own. At work, 75% of the people sat at their desk at 7.30am when I arrived were men. In meetings, it was mostly men who spoke up. When 5pm came, it was mostly women who would shoot off. etc etc I could go on and on. These are all truths I saw with my own two eyes.

I honestly just don't get it. I want to stress that I think women are EVERY bit as capable as men. Yet in line with my previous paragraph, I absolutely don't think you deserve equal pay just by virtue of being a woman. I absolutely don't think that you are discriminated in the workplace when compared to men. My reasons for that are in the above paragraph. For every 1x woman, you have maybe 10x men in most situations related to work (and even sport). That's the thing, it all comes down to ratios.

A girl on Linkedin put a self promotion message up saying that during an internship at an investment bank she was told by a male intern that she was fillinf a quota, and that women are as capable as men etc etc. I'm sorry but, you generally are filling a quota. If we did it on probabilities, there are greater numbers of men out there in your shoes. That's not to say she's not as capable, but she is filling a quota. That's why there are women only breakfasts, women trading games, women only events, woman scholarships. I know of women who got into investment banks for the wrong reasons also (I'll let you work it out) - taking advantage of who they are basically - I suppose that is alright also? All of this and then you are discriminated against in the workforce? Really?

I've just grown tired of the attitude of modern day women. It's always me, me me, poor me and my discriminated life. You would think they were born with no arms and no legs - I find their self pitying incredible. My brother is autistic and he works at ASDA - that's where my sympathy and support goes.

Females have every bit of opportunity and power as men. Many say well society teaches us this and that and that we are not good enough. We need greater inclusion etc etc.. Tough! Do these woman ever stop to puase and think about the male suicide rate in this country and what society has done to these men to make them do that? Do they ever pause and think about something that doesn't relate to themselves, that carried far more importance? It's just not enough to justify the constant poor me attitude, I can't do anything because of men.

Another silly Linkedin post today by someone at McKinsey talking about a lecture given to men to not be scared of women in STEM degrees! They make it sound like men look up to women and think they are the Lionel Messi's in the workforce. I'd loveto have been there and asked her why less females apply for these roles! (hence less of them in the workforce). But of course, she probably would have said that they feel as though society has taught them this and that etc. Again, not good enough. I'd prefer some honesty like a lady on Linkedin who recently said questions what women are doing for each other? That they always expect from men.

I'm sorry but I just don't feel any sympathy towards women, just by virtue of being a woman. I find it insulting actually. There's much worse discrimination out there. It's funny that many women complain about being discriminated against, but are equally happy to use their body andposition to abuse their power and work their way into positions. Have you ever thought of the men who have been discriminated against in thos situations? I feel sorry for people who deserve sympathy, support and encouragement, like my brother. I think these are the people we should be supporting and encouraging.

Am I the only on with these thoughts?

A little rant as I've grown tired of this self promotion, self pitying mantra that young women are putting out on their social media.

In all my experience of University and working at an investment bank - when the class ended it was only boys who queued up to speak to the lecturer, it was mostly boys who asked questions in class, it was mostly boys who hadthe courage to lead socieites on their own. At work, 75% of the people sat at their desk at 7.30am when I arrived were men. In meetings, it was mostly men who spoke up. When 5pm came, it was mostly women who would shoot off. etc etc I could go on and on. These are all truths I saw with my own two eyes.

I honestly just don't get it. I want to stress that I think women are EVERY bit as capable as men. Yet in line with my previous paragraph, I absolutely don't think you deserve equal pay just by virtue of being a woman. I absolutely don't think that you are discriminated in the workplace when compared to men. My reasons for that are in the above paragraph. For every 1x woman, you have maybe 10x men in most situations related to work (and even sport). That's the thing, it all comes down to ratios.

A girl on Linkedin put a self promotion message up saying that during an internship at an investment bank she was told by a male intern that she was fillinf a quota, and that women are as capable as men etc etc. I'm sorry but, you generally are filling a quota. If we did it on probabilities, there are greater numbers of men out there in your shoes. That's not to say she's not as capable, but she is filling a quota. That's why there are women only breakfasts, women trading games, women only events, woman scholarships. I know of women who got into investment banks for the wrong reasons also (I'll let you work it out) - taking advantage of who they are basically - I suppose that is alright also? All of this and then you are discriminated against in the workforce? Really?

I've just grown tired of the attitude of modern day women. It's always me, me me, poor me and my discriminated life. You would think they were born with no arms and no legs - I find their self pitying incredible. My brother is autistic and he works at ASDA - that's where my sympathy and support goes.

Females have every bit of opportunity and power as men. Many say well society teaches us this and that and that we are not good enough. We need greater inclusion etc etc.. Tough! Do these woman ever stop to puase and think about the male suicide rate in this country and what society has done to these men to make them do that? Do they ever pause and think about something that doesn't relate to themselves, that carried far more importance? It's just not enough to justify the constant poor me attitude, I can't do anything because of men.

Another silly Linkedin post today by someone at McKinsey talking about a lecture given to men to not be scared of women in STEM degrees! They make it sound like men look up to women and think they are the Lionel Messi's in the workforce. I'd loveto have been there and asked her why less females apply for these roles! (hence less of them in the workforce). But of course, she probably would have said that they feel as though society has taught them this and that etc. Again, not good enough. I'd prefer some honesty like a lady on Linkedin who recently said questions what women are doing for each other? That they always expect from men.

I'm sorry but I just don't feel any sympathy towards women, just by virtue of being a woman. I find it insulting actually. There's much worse discrimination out there. It's funny that many women complain about being discriminated against, but are equally happy to use their body andposition to abuse their power and work their way into positions. Have you ever thought of the men who have been discriminated against in thos situations? I feel sorry for people who deserve sympathy, support and encouragement, like my brother. I think these are the people we should be supporting and encouraging.

Am I the only on with these thoughts?

I've found that female students ask more questions than male students and take more key positions in running societies. At work, almost all people are at their desk (why does the time of day matter?) and in meetings women are the most vocal. Most people leave 'on time' though the people doing most of the overtime have been women. This goes for both higher and lower positions.

If the point you're trying to make is that women do less work then I disagree based upon my experience.

You've said that the girl working in an investment bank was just there to fill a quota - how do you know this?

You've also said that women use their body and position to abuse power - how do you know this?

As said above, you've painted a picture of women with an incredibly broad brush, almost to the point where you seem to think that all women self-pity, blame men for their failings, etc. In all my experience of working with women I have never once experienced this. It may be because the people you're referring to are women on the internet, of which there is a lot of self-pitying, but the same can easily be said for men (especially on this forum, jeez).

Women are disadvantaged and held back by straight white males dominating the jobs. Women are as capable, yeah. Men are the problem. You have men in power picking more men to replace them. There's literally noway for women to enter the destructive cycle.

Yeah, I always found it amusing how the upper-middle class privately educated white women at Cambridge with parents who are doctors/lawyers/bankers complained about how "disadvantaged" they were due to their gender...

Yeah, try being a working class person (of either gender) growing up on a council housing estate.

Exactly - and this is my point. For all that women complain abuot discrimination - there are much, much worse out there.

Yet if you gauge what society is telling you the message is that women are the most discriminated out there with the amount of female promotion going on out there.

It's a crazy world we live in now.

You don’t think women are discriminated but think they shouldn’t get equal pay? I don’t understand that.

Idgaf really, hardly any men do my job and I basically work with all women so luckily don’t come across views such as yours in the workplace.

How do you know that women aren't going to take risks? I know plenty of women that take incredibly big risks in business.

How do you know that women objectively speak less during meetings than men?

How do you know that there were more ready and applicable men for the job than that girl was?

As others have said you've only provided anecdotes as evidence of your beliefs.

Can you answer me why most successful entrepreneurs are male? Love to hear your answer on that. Ain't nothing to do with with discrimination.

I wouldn't go around saying all women got their high end positions purely because of quotas simply on the basis of the fact that they're female. Presumably a number of them are actually suitable for doing the job or they would've been eventually gotten rid of due to terrible performance, no?

I see where you're going. You almost had an argument but instead made a post entirely out of rhetoric and anecdotal evidence so it's quite hard to sympathise.


I would assume by limited experience what they mean is the fact that you only account for the one uni course you did and the maybe handful of jobs you've had, compared to the hundreds of unis and the thousands of jobs out there.