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I am going to go and change it now to its correct value: 85%

From my experience I find that you only find such an acceptance rate from private schools and clued up TSR'ers.

The main bulk of the applications comes from neither group
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wais
From my experience I find that you only find such an acceptance rate from private schools and clued up TSR'ers.

The main bulk of the applications comes from neither group


Do you still think that the 20% acceptance rate is correct? Complete BS I believe. Yes I know there are statistics but they just do not fit.
hate
Do you still think that the 20% acceptance rate is correct? Complete BS I believe. Yes I know there are statistics but they just do not fit.

Why woudl they lie on the statistics...
hate
Do you still think that the 20% acceptance rate is correct? Complete BS I believe. Yes I know there are statistics but they just do not fit.

Why woudl they lie on the statistics...

Just because all your mates got in does not mean that everyone does, since you are not the judge of "that guy is an idiot and he still got in".
wais
Why woudl they lie on the statistics...

Just because all your mates got in does not mean that everyone does, since you are not the judge of "that guy is an idiot and he still got in".


Yeah I don't know a single soul IRL who got in. So you can skip that argument. I was basing it on, largely, TSR where just about everyone gets an offer. Their admission procedure seems very odd as someone who can royaly mess upp an interview still gets an offer. Whereas people who get admitted to study Maths at Trinity, Cambridge get turned down (yes this one guy). Seems more like a lotto rather than a proper system to judge who is the better student.

This assumption might not be entirely out of place:

"Aahhh I see this person is predicted AAA we'll throw an offer his way" - Admissions tutor. (This person then messed upp interview). Admissions tutor "he still has an offer"
wais
Why woudl they lie on the statistics...


I am not suggesting that they are lying, I am saying that they do not fit.

Furthermore I can come up with quite a few reasons why a university would lie in their statistics. Maybe to make their university seem more popular that it is in fact who knows?
Reply 126
There are lots of reasons why that Trinmo didn't get in; the simplest being Imperial realised he was going to go there and decided not to waste an offer on him. Don't think they're officially allowed to do it but there's always a reason they can come up with if they need an official answer.

And if universities were just allowed to make up statistics, everyone would be having acceptance rates of 10%. :rolleyes: Applications go through UCAS for a reason, one of which is easy collection and analysis of statistics.
fais
There are lots of reasons why that Trinmo didn't get in; the simplest being Imperial realised he was going to go there and decided not to waste an offer on him. Don't think they're officially allowed to do it but there's always a reason they can come up with if they need an official answer.

And if universities were just allowed to make up statistics, everyone would be having acceptance rates of 10%. :rolleyes: Applications go through UCAS for a reason, one of which is easy collection and analysis of statistics.


Ok READ my post I never said that they did I suggest why a university might.

Thats a bad reason to be honest, they do not know where applicants have applied elsewhere. Being Imperial they ought to be able to figure out that an application submitted pre-15 October is an Oxbridge one - this does not appear to be reflected on TSR where everyone appears to be getting an offer! Where are the hoards upon hoards of applicants that have been rejected. Where are they?
hate
So what are your plans now then when you're not coming to Imperial?

Gap year, then I'll decide...
Reply 129
The large number of people who get rejected probably don't bother posting in this forum ;-). I wouldn't, especially if I was rejected before the interview!
hate
Yeah I don't know a single soul IRL who got in. So you can skip that argument. I was basing it on, largely, TSR where just about everyone gets an offer. Their admission procedure seems very odd as someone who can royaly mess upp an interview still gets an offer. Whereas people who get admitted to study Maths at Trinity, Cambridge get turned down (yes this one guy). Seems more like a lotto rather than a proper system to judge who is the better student.

This assumption might not be entirely out of place:

"Aahhh I see this person is predicted AAA we'll throw an offer his way" - Admissions tutor. (This person then messed upp interview). Admissions tutor "he still has an offer"

1)Dnno why you put in the college, its largeley irrelevant at Oxbridge, other than the assumed "prestige".

2) As I said already about TSR, they are usually pretty clued up, especially with regards to personal statements, which are a major factor of the admissions process. When someone can see other peoples PS's, they're usually likely to improve theirs quite a lot! I certainly know that TSR ( and the internet as a whole ) helped me improve my PS.

3) People are not usually predicted AAA willy nilly. I had to persuade my teachers to up their predictions, who pretty much had a policy of giving out predictions a grade lower than they expected. I was predicted ABBbb and ended upw it AAAab, with the highest module marks in my class (several full markers) in 2 of those.

4) Interviews arent THAT important. Some people muck up their interview, but the interviewer can see that they mucked up because of being nervous etc, usually seen by how badly they do. Someone that has AAA and cant answer a single question is probably doing so for reasons other than academic ones.

5) Just because someone gets into Cambridge does not automatically mean they get into Imperial. This has been seen with many many students, who get into (for example) Oxford law but fail Birstol or Durham. There are too many factors to take into account, including that they might've done a lot less preparation for Imperial than Cambridge.

and so on....

Its not as simple as you say.
wais
1)Dnno why you put in the college, its largeley irrelevant at Oxbridge, other than the assumed "prestige".

2) As I said already about TSR, they are usually pretty clued up, especially with regards to personal statements, which are a major factor of the admissions process. When someone can see other peoples PS's, they're usually likely to improve theirs quite a lot! I certainly know that TSR ( and the internet as a whole ) helped me improve my PS.

3) People are not usually predicted AAA willy nilly. I had to persuade my teachers to up their predictions, who pretty much had a policy of giving out predictions a grade lower than they expected. I was predicted ABBbb and ended upw it AAAab, with the highest module marks in my class (several full markers) in 2 of those.

4) Interviews arent THAT important. Some people muck up their interview, but the interviewer can see that they mucked up because of being nervous etc, usually seen by how badly they do. Someone that has AAA and cant answer a single question is probably doing so for reasons other than academic ones.

5) Just because someone gets into Cambridge does not automatically mean they get into Imperial. This has been seen with many many students, who get into (for example) Oxford law but fail Birstol or Durham. There are too many factors to take into account, including that they might've done a lot less preparation for Imperial than Cambridge.

and so on....

Its not as simple as you say.


Fair enough, thank you for response. Tell then, finally, why there are so bloody many offers all over TSR? Come on you must've noticed that there barely are any Imperial rejects on TSR. I know that TSR probably should not be used a measure to reflect the entire student population but I find it odd that anyone (it appears) who submits an application to Imperial gets an offer. It feels like it takes the edge out of us that REALLY wanted to go there.

(Just put down Trinity because it largely considered THE college for maths and I have a relative who did Physics there and I think that's why he chose Trinity - not sure about that one though).
hate
Fair enough, thank you for response. Tell then, finally, why there are bloody many offers all over TSR? Come on you must've noticed that there barely are any Imperial rejects on TSR. I know that TSR probably should not be used a measure to reflect the entire student population but I find it odd that anyone (it appears) who submits an application to Imperial gets an offer. It feels like it takes the edge out of us that REALLY wanted to go there.

(Just put down Trinity because it largely considered THE college for maths and I have a relative who did Physics there and I think that's why he chose Trinity - not sure about that one though).

Trinity has a history behind it, i.e. Newton and co, but the syllabus accross Cambridge is the same anyway.

Less people are likely to write "I failed to get into Imperial" because quite simply, noone likes to look like a failure. People do write that they got accepted in hope that they could meet some of the students who will be joining them.

If you say "well, loads of people write about how they got rejected from Oxbridge", I've noticed that as well. Lets not be ****ing idiots here, there are more than enough students who have grades like CCC and fail to get into places like Bath etc. They're not likely to put that kind of thing into their sig. However it seems to have becomme "fashionable" on TSR to write anything about Oxbridge applications. For example, people write "Camridge: Rejected:cool:" as if to say "oh look at me, I can join your group now" or "I'm too cool for cambridge anyway" etc etc. At my school just the act of applying to Oxbridge made you some kind of superhero for having the balls to go through with it (as stupid as that may be).
Reply 133
Does anyone else think its ridiculous trying to disprove official statistics based on a whim about TSR users?

You can't plausibly use TSR as an indication of Imperial's admittance rate because: A) the sample is too small to make any meaningful conclusions B) people are less likely to post about being unsuccessful than they are about being successful C) TSR isn't a good representation of the general applicants because D) students on TSR are far more conscientious / academic than the average applicant.

(Point D is somewhat dubious in that Imperial attracts high achievers.) Anyway, you don't know everyones academic background here, and the '85%' of people you see on TSR could be those in the 20% admitted.

Edit: oops Wais beat me to it!
Peel
Does anyone else think its ridiculous trying to disprove official statistics based on a whim about TSR users?

You can't plausibly use TSR as an indication of Imperial's admittance rate because: A) the sample is too small to make any meaningful conclusions B) people are less likely to post about being unsuccessful than they are about being successful C) TSR isn't a good representation of the general applicants because D) students on TSR are far more conscientious / academic than the average applicant.

(Point D is somewhat dubious in that Imperial attracts high achievers.) Anyway, you don't know everyones academic background here, and the '85%' of people you see on TSR could be those in the 20% admitted.

Edit: oops Wais beat me to it!


Did you have to just reword my arguments??

Edit: oops, didnt read your last sentence
Well then gentlemen you both seem to have good (albeit similar) arguments for this whole 'everyone is Imperial' bananza. I will ask my tutors/lecturers this October where the remaining 80% rejectees are or rather where they came from AND AND AND how the admissions procedure works at Imperial.
Hahahaha, if you think your tutors are going to waste time talking to you about anything they're not forced to do by Imperial policy (which they might ignore given that you have an agreement with him) then you've got another thing comming.

Also stop acting so reasonably, its obvious you're forcing it for some kind of change of image.
wais
Hahahaha, if you think your tutors are going to waste time talking to you about anything they're not forced to do by Imperial policy (which they might ignore given that you have an agreement with him) then you've got another thing comming.

Also stop acting so reasonably, its obvious you're forcing it for some kind of change of image.


Generalising much? I think people, regardless of their employers policy, (about talking...) wont say no to a casual chat. You may have countless examples of you tried to approach your tutors... well what can I say maybe they don't like you?

Reason is a good thing you should relish it not evade it. I am trying to change my image? I am not going to meet any of you why would I want to change my image. Odd that is - must be said.
Nah I never tried to talk to them. I dont know of anyone that did, except to be told to "increase workload" :P
wais
Nah I never tried to talk to them. I dont know of anyone that did, except to be told to "increase workload" :P


They seemed perfectly approachable at the interview seeing as we ran over by 15 min just chatting.

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