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    I was just wondering if people think it is absolutely pointless applying for pupillage without an inn of court scholarship? I haven't heard for definite either way, but I can 100% tell from my interview I have not got a scholarship

    I am currently on the GDL, I got a 2.1 from Oxbridge, and my cv has 7 x mini pupillage, marshalling, experience at solicitors, pro bono, volunteering and all the usual positions of responsibility at uni etc. I am also hoping to continue to build on this.

    I'm aiming for one of the regional sets, in Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester etc, I was just wondering if people had any honest, blunt advice about whether it was worth applying for pupillage without a prestigious scholarship? I have no other scholarships to speak of and I worry that this section of application forms is going to look very empty! I don't know whether to delay the BPTC for a year and apply again for an inn scholarship...or just to suck it up and go for BPTC and pupillage without it! cheers anyone/everyone x
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    Why haven't you already applied for pupillage if you are in your GDL year?

    I suspect not having an Inn scholarship will be a relatively minor negative factor (or a lack of a positive factor, if you prefer) in your application if you apply for pupillage during your BPTC year. I am virtually certain that there are no sets who would refuse to consider an application from a student on the BPTC who did not have a scholarship. That would be particularly odd as I understand that the Gateway timetable has now changed (I'm a couple of years out of date) so that anyone applying pre-BPTC cannot possibly have an Inn scholarship at the time they submit their application. That always used to be true for the Chancery sets with deadlines very early in the year.

    None of the above tells you whether it is worth gambling your own £17,000 plus living expenses plus a year of your life to do the BPTC without either a pupillage or an Inn scholarship. I don't think except you can answer that. Your CV looks to me like you would be in with good prospects of getting a few interviews with a well-drafted application (not that I have any experience of regional PI sets).
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    (Original post by pipupillage)
    I'm aiming for one of the regional sets, in Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester etc, I was just wondering if people had any honest, blunt advice about whether it was worth applying for pupillage without a prestigious scholarship?
    As someone who has recently been involved in sifting applications and interviewing for pupillage, I can bluntly tell you that it is still worth you applying.

    I'm always intrigued as to how it is people get ideas that the presence or absence of a certain feature on a CV will doom any pupillage application. There are, of course, examples in that respect that seriously damage an application to the point where a person should think long and hard about pouring resources into trying to secure pupillage (such as having a 2:2), but with the more nuanced individual elements of applications I do find myself wondering where people get the impression that any one thing can be such a deal breaker.

    For the record, as with many other individual elements of an application, an Inn scholarship is nice to have, but by no means essential. I can't say that in any pupillage application I even noticed the absence of a scholarship. Pupillage applications are generally assessed against some sort of criteria, but it won't be an exercise that ticks individual boxes for individual elements. The assessment, albeit on the basis of different elements, will be more holistic than that.

    I can't say how your pupillage application would come across to me if I was to read it, but you certainly do seem to have plenty on there already. Having a 2:1 from Oxbridge is a bonus, and you seem to tick plenty of other boxes in terms of experience that I might expect to see on a pupillage application. There's certainly nothing that you've said that would make me think that you are at any sort of disadvantage compared to other applicants, so providing you're aware of and have accepted the general risks I don't see why you wouldn't continue onto the BPTC and start applying for pupillages at this stage.
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    (Original post by Crazy Jamie)
    As someone who has recently been involved in sifting applications and interviewing for pupillage, I can bluntly tell you that it is still worth you applying.

    I'm always intrigued as to how it is people get ideas that the presence or absence of a certain feature on a CV will doom any pupillage application. There are, of course, examples in that respect that seriously damage an application to the point where a person should think long and hard about pouring resources into trying to secure pupillage (such as having a 2:2), but with the more nuanced individual elements of applications I do find myself wondering where people get the impression that any one thing can be such a deal breaker.

    For the record, as with many other individual elements of an application, an Inn scholarship is nice to have, but by no means essential. I can't say that in any pupillage application I even noticed the absence of a scholarship. Pupillage applications are generally assessed against some sort of criteria, but it won't be an exercise that ticks individual boxes for individual elements. The assessment, albeit on the basis of different elements, will be more holistic than that.

    I can't say how your pupillage application would come across to me if I was to read it, but you certainly do seem to have plenty on there already. Having a 2:1 from Oxbridge is a bonus, and you seem to tick plenty of other boxes in terms of experience that I might expect to see on a pupillage application. There's certainly nothing that you've said that would make me think that you are at any sort of disadvantage compared to other applicants, so providing you're aware of and have accepted the general risks I don't see why you wouldn't continue onto the BPTC and start applying for pupillages at this stage.
    Thank you so much for this. I think there are quite a lot of misinformed but opinionated people on the internet who have made it clear that THEY think an inn of court scholarship is the be all and end all, and feeling quite fragile after coming out of a bad interview made me more susceptible to absorbing that opinion! I appreciate there is more nuance to what makes a pupillage application succeed over others, but I'm definitely reassured to hear that I've not put myself at a massive disadvantage before I've even begun!
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    Why haven't you already applied for pupillage if you are in your GDL year?

    I suspect not having an Inn scholarship will be a relatively minor negative factor (or a lack of a positive factor, if you prefer) in your application if you apply for pupillage during your BPTC year. I am virtually certain that there are no sets who would refuse to consider an application from a student on the BPTC who did not have a scholarship. That would be particularly odd as I understand that the Gateway timetable has now changed (I'm a couple of years out of date) so that anyone applying pre-BPTC cannot possibly have an Inn scholarship at the time they submit their application. That always used to be true for the Chancery sets with deadlines very early in the year.

    None of the above tells you whether it is worth gambling your own £17,000 plus living expenses plus a year of your life to do the BPTC without either a pupillage or an Inn scholarship. I don't think except you can answer that. Your CV looks to me like you would be in with good prospects of getting a few interviews with a well-drafted application (not that I have any experience of regional PI sets).
    Family circumstances prevented me from applying this time round unfortunately! Frustrating but sadly couldn't be helped. Thank you for your advice, I understand that no-one can answer definitely whether someone will succeed in applying for pupillage, but the reassurance that an inn scholarship is not the be all and end all is very good to hear!
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    Given that competition for pupillage is extremely intense no matter the area of law, and that there are no guarantees, I don't understand anyone who would not do every single thing possible to ensure that they have the best chance of getting pupillage.

    I therefore suggest that you take a year out (paralegal, masters, whatever) and get that scholarship.
 
 
 
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