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    (Original post by GenialGermanGent)
    Really? Who are you talking about? Literally the rest of the world is laughing at your economy tanking, inflation rising, and only relevant industry leaving.



    No, you are uneducated and xenophobic for being so economically illiterate to believe you could actually be successful outside the massive trade bloc on your doorstep that you owe most of your modest wealth to, and for voting Leave on the back of a xenophobia-driven campaign to 'keep those dirty foreigners out' and 'take back your country' - how pathetic.
    Before criticising our nation take a look at how Merkel is destroying yours by mass importation of "refugees" making events like Cologne NYE normal
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    This argument has been used by many people including closet racists and far-right bigots.

    You see there is this argument of us vs them. We argue about migration from certain countries but praise migration from other countries.

    You see culture is a way of life of a group of people. This way of life is always evolving and changes with the times. The “culture” of 1423 UK was completely different to that of 1893 or 1991 or 2017. The important factor is integrating people rather than trying to defend an elusive idea of “culture”.

    I disagree with your point that allowing people from poorer countries to come here will lead to them “destroying” rich countries. This issue still focuses on integration. In this country, we are very poor in adequately integrating others. We have an inherently toxic view of us versus them, whether it is across gender, class or age. It is what limits our true progress as the government and media tries to pitch us against each other.

    The sad fact is that Government’s deep cuts have pushed communities to the point of blaming others.

    You know, it is really sad that in 2018, we still have the conditioned bias of nationhood and race. I have read many sad threads on here and debated irl the whole idea of “white genocide”. It is incredibly sad that someone will feel so useless in their existence that they feel a real threat to their wellbeing from people, who go on their way and live as good plus functioning members of society.
    Ok, doesnt make me one of them the soviet union and communist china had/has strict immigration policies but I am no communist.

    Yes culture has changed but it was often a slow and gradual thing, but culture does certainly exist and is very important for a nation and yes integrating people is important as you intergrate them into our culture.

    The whole argument about people destroying the country was in direct response to the whole "no borders" idea as millions would flock to better countries and in turn leave behind their country ruining it and ruin the country they are going in.

    This is not the govts fault, I do not blame the govt for the tower hamlets, or the other awful non english and toxic places that are just a echo chamber of non english and awful culture this is a direct hinderance to immigration and is caused by the mass immigration, I want a slow small influx of migrants, something controlled and sustainable for the economy and culture.

    I would say the idea of white genocide is a bit too far but there certainly a anti white anti male sentiment being heavily pushed at the moment, saying that these people are worthless is a lie, culture is deeply important for many and something that holds a country together, it has kept us together in times of great strife and if culture is properly moulded you can get fantastic results and if not it is a disaster, that is why in many arabic countries allowing women to drive is a MASSIVE step foward.
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    (Original post by Harold98)
    If you think this country is a joke feel free to leave. This country has a proud history of standing up to fascists and those who want to spread hatred, and we have a proud history of welcoming those in need and who want to come here.

    And the reason why Salman Abedi was allowed to return to the UK is because he's a British citizen, unlike Lauren Southern, who is a foreigner.
    Couldn’t have said it better myself!
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    (Original post by Stewpid)
    OK.

    Yes Abedi may have been a British Citizen and therefor we will have an hard time stopping him from coming back but we can revoke British Citizenship. Also we can detain any one wanting to come back into Britain whether they are foriegn or not if they are suspected of terrorism.
    Detaining people is not the problem. The issue is revoking the British Citizenship of someone who was legally and legitimately born here.

    You cannot stop a British Citizen from returning to his/her country.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Detaining people is not the problem. The issue is revoking the British Citizenship of someone who was legally and legitimately born here.

    You cannot stop a British Citizen from returning to his/her country.
    Sorry I miscommunicated that, he should of been detained and threw in jail.
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    (Original post by FlintofBavaria)
    While I hate to agree, Britain is becoming more and more second rate in the world when we shouldn't be.
    Why do you say that? What makes us stand out these days? I'm not sure I would say we were becoming second rate. I would say that all of those previously second rate countries are catching up fast.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Ok, doesnt make me one of them the soviet union and communist china had/has strict immigration policies but I am no communist.

    Yes culture has changed but it was often a slow and gradual thing, but culture does certainly exist and is very important for a nation and yes integrating people is important as you intergrate them into our culture.

    The whole argument about people destroying the country was in direct response to the whole "no borders" idea as millions would flock to better countries and in turn leave behind their country ruining it and ruin the country they are going in.

    This is not the govts fault, I do not blame the govt for the tower hamlets, or the other awful non english and toxic places that are just a echo chamber of non english and awful culture this is a direct hinderance to immigration and is caused by the mass immigration, I want a slow small influx of migrants, something controlled and sustainable for the economy and culture.

    I would say the idea of white genocide is a bit too far but there certainly a anti white anti male sentiment being heavily pushed at the moment, saying that these people are worthless is a lie, culture is deeply important for many and something that holds a country together, it has kept us together in times of great strife and if culture is properly moulded you can get fantastic results and if not it is a disaster, that is why in many arabic countries allowing women to drive is a MASSIVE step foward.
    People need to stop comparing the UK with borderline dodgy countries. Nobody wants to go to live in Russia or China or Hungary. Imagine there was a great famine in this country, would you first thought be “oh, i wish i could live in Russia or China?”. Come on.

    Look at the countries with so-called strict immigration and then you realise that people in reality would not even bother going there.

    British culture is still undergoing a slow change. Ignore the rubbish that racists say. They would say anything to scare into being bigoted like them.

    Migrants are gradually integrating in the country. Remember when people like Farage said that millions of migrants could not speak English? Well, official stats suggest that only 770,000 of more than 60 million are very “weak” in the language and this is declining.

    Nobody is asking for no borders. Who has asked for a borderless nation?

    I think the Government is the reason for society’s issues. Many of the problems have been because of poor investment in communities have caused this problem. Sadly people blame migrants.

    I disagree with your last point.
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    (Original post by Stewpid)
    Sorry I miscommunicated that, he should of been detained and threw in jail.
    I agree that he should have been detained. I dont agree with people calling for stupid actions.
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    (Original post by Stewpid)
    Before criticising our nation take a look at how Merkel is destroying yours by mass importation of "refugees" making events like Cologne NYE normal
    He hijacked your thread m8. He didn't directly answer your grievances, he turned it into Brexit bashing. Plus I don't think he's a real German, just a Blair stooge hiding behind a computer trolling the UK.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    People need to stop comparing the UK with borderline dodgy countries. Nobody wants to go to live in Russia or China or Hungary. Imagine there was a great famine in this country, would you first thought be “oh, i wish i could live in Russia or China?”. Come on.

    Look at the countries with so-called strict immigration and then you realise that people in reality would not even bother going there.

    British culture is still undergoing a slow change. Ignore the rubbish that racists say. They would say anything to scare into being bigoted like them.

    Migrants are gradually integrating in the country. Remember when people like Farage said that millions of migrants could not speak English? Well, official stats suggest that only 770,000 of more than 60 million are very “weak” in the language and this is declining.

    Nobody is asking for no borders. Who has asked for a borderless nation?

    I think the Government is the reason for society’s issues. Many of the problems have been because of poor investment in communities have caused this problem. Sadly people blame migrants.

    I disagree with your last point.
    You tried to say that Facist people talk about strict border (and possibly try to say I was one) so I said that just because I have 1 beleief that is simmilar to one ideology does not mean I think it is all correct hence the comparison to China or the Soviet union.

    Yes we are undergoing a slow (although accelerated slightly) change and I and many other fear it is a bad change.

    Sure there might be some that have "weak" but how many are at other unacceptable levels and not even trying to improve, but language skills are not the most important.

    The person I was talking to previously taled about borders, not you.

    I dont blame immigrants for everything I blame the government for the things they have done wrong, part of what they have done is immigration, but there are faults with some immigrants and I am not scared to call those out, I also do feel the government has been very inadequate in dealing with many problems
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    You tried to say that Facist people talk about strict border (and possibly try to say I was one) so I said that just because I have 1 beleief that is simmilar to one ideology does not mean I think it is all correct hence the comparison to China or the Soviet union.

    Yes we are undergoing a slow (although accelerated slightly) change and I and many other fear it is a bad change.

    Sure there might be some that have "weak" but how many are at other unacceptable levels and not even trying to improve, but language skills are not the most important.

    The person I was talking to previously taled about borders, not you.

    I dont blame immigrants for everything I blame the government for the things they have done wrong, part of what they have done is immigration, but there are faults with some immigrants and I am not scared to call those out, I also do feel the government has been very inadequate in dealing with many problems
    I did not call you a fascist. I just stated that you were using the words of these groups. We are not undergoing any accelerated change, it is a myth purported by racists ad far-right group.

    This has been the doctrine of far-right groups for many decades. After the WW2, people argued that Jewish people were rapidly changing the country. In the ‘60s, it were the Indians and Carribeans. In the ‘90s, the Africans. In the 2000s, the East Europeans. There has always been an us versus them doctrine used to alienate communities and keep them fighting each other.

    The unacceptable levels are the same as the “weak” language skills which show that only 770,000 meet that level. Others are above the acceptable levels of language communication skills required.
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    I don't agree entirely, but if we stay on the course we're on then we'll be the laughing stock of the West by 2030. Thank god Germany and Sweden are racing us for it. Worst part is the parties have so much **** to fling at each other the next few years with brexit, austerity etc. that there's no chance that free speech laws are getting a polish over the next few years, and you can forget about surveillance etc. If we're lucky we might just be able to put an end to the laughably embarrasing UK porn industry legislations (thanks Mrs. May) :burnout:
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    (Original post by GenialGermanGent)
    No, nobody knows that. We are utterly dominating you lot economically and politically. Just look at your pathetic GDP, look at who pulls the strings in the EU. Salty much?

    Most powerful? You're dreaming. You're a laughing stock.
    "Look at who pulls the strings in the EU"

    Regardless of whether Brexit is the right or wrong choice, this is why many people voted Brexit- because of other countries primarily dominating it, and attitudes such as yours. That statement only re-enforces that view.
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    I’ve said it before and no doubt I’ll say it again.

    If you think our ancestors who fought fascism would be proud of what our societies become you are sorely mistaken. Had they known they probably wouldn’t have bothered.
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    (Original post by Yabbot)
    lol Tommy Robinson is now a hate preacher. You liberal Marxist never cease to amaze me.
    I love how he is a 'Nazi' 'Racist' 'Fascist' for simply highlighting problems within Islam. Oh, I LOVE how NO mainstream media is reporting on the Telford rapes which is worse than Rochdale.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    What? Useful idiot to whom?
    To the people who promote such policies

    I dont think you actually understand the point that you made. Those people banned from the UK were known to have racist, islamophobic, far-right views that threatened the safety of certain communities in this country.
    What views do they actually have that you think threatened certain communities?
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Ok, doesnt make me one of them the soviet union and communist china had/has strict immigration policies but I am no communist.
    It's almost as if the 1917 russian revolution didn't result in global communism.
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    (Original post by Davij038)

    If you think our ancestors who fought fascism would be proud of what our societies become you are sorely mistaken. Had they known they probably wouldn’t have bothered.
    Well alot of them were basically imperalist racists so I don't really want them to be proud.

    Harry Leslie Smith is on point however.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Well alot of them were basically imperalist racists so I don't really want them to be proud.

    Harry Leslie Smith is on point however.
    Fine, and in some ways our society is better than then.

    But a lot of people give the impression that that generation fought for things they would have clearly despised.
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    (Original post by Davij038)

    But a lot of people give the impression that that generation fought for things they would have clearly despised.
    George Orwell lemented the passivity of the British working class. They were given guns and didn't do a proletarian revolution.

    They just did what they were told! Suppose the flip side of that is we didn't end up with a Stalin.
 
 
 
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