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All unis should be closed except Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE, UCL, St Andrews, Durham +8 watch

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    All unis should banned from teaching non-vocational deegres on the taxypayer, except Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE, UCL, St Andrews, Durham, Warwick, Bath, Bristol, Exeter, KCL, Edinburgh, Manchester and Nottingham.

    I think university is a joke really. So, so, so many people i meet say things like "I got an apprenticeship at IBM and now I'm earning 30k".

    Somewhere down the line, university (where you learn about the academic world of research and theses rather than employability-skills like client management) have managed to trick students into thinking that they have something to do with vocation.

    James Dyson leads the way. Either apprenticeships or vocational degrees at specialist colleges like his which lead directly into a job should be for most people.

    Let's not shut down 200+ universities, but lets privatise their inefficient schemes (non-vocational Undergraduate courses) and keep them as purely seats of academia.

    We should only entirely fund our the top 15 unis as they are 'national treasures'.
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    wb Glasgow, Surrey, Lancaster etc???
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    wb Glasgow, Surrey, Lancaster etc???
    They don't make the cut for top 15.
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    (Original post by tyson69)
    wb Glasgow, Surrey, Lancaster etc???
    Lancaster does well in the league tables due to its student satisfaction and that alone. Surrey is where you to go practice Marxism and join student 'occupations' of uni buildings. Glasgow has some beautiful buildings and should be re-appropriated as a medical school.
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    They don't make the cut for top 15.
    Lancaster is top ten in the UK
    Glasgow is 80 in the world..

    maybe Im wrong idk, but I think it is more sensible to shut down the expolys, not well-established universities
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    (Original post by tyson69)
    Lancaster is top ten in the UK
    Glasgow is 80 in the world..

    maybe Im wrong idk, but I think it is more sensible to shut down the expolys, not well-established universities

    Glasgow uni is not a national treasure, although its buildings are. therefore there is no reason to keep its inefficient non-vocational degree programmes.
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    (Original post by tyson69)
    Lancaster is top ten in the UK
    Glasgow is 80 in the world..

    maybe Im wrong idk, but I think it is more sensible to shut down the expolys, not well-established universities
    Lancaster does not have any rep outside the UK plus rankings are a joke.

    Id say Glasgow is top 20 in UK
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    (Original post by CollectiveSoul)
    Glasgow uni is not a national treasure, although its buildings are. therefore there is no reason to keep its inefficient non-vocational degree programmes.
    Then what should people with AAB and not AAA do, an aprenticeship 🤔. Also, I have heard Manchester is in the same league as Glasgow.
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    (Original post by √√√√)
    Lancaster does not have any rep outside the UK plus rankings are a joke.

    Id say Glasgow is top 20 in UK
    I know Glasgow is not LSE, but it certainly is in the league of Manchester
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    Hmm, the issue isn't the number of universities but rather the courses they offer.
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    Banning them is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Make use of the infrastructure, staff and utilities present, and reach a similar intended goal as a ban by increasing the amount universities can charge in those universities that didn't make the list from the current (around) £9000 to somewhere around £15000. The people who go are going to be rich and can afford to waste their time doing s*hit degrees whereas the people who cannot afford it will go into more productive areas of work e.g. apprenticeships. But i would still keep the top 30-40 universities at a cap of £9000
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    (Original post by CollectiveSoul)
    All unis should banned from teaching non-vocational deegres on the taxypayer, except Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE, UCL, St Andrews, Durham, Warwick, Bath, Bristol, Exeter, KCL, Edinburgh, Manchester and Nottingham.

    I think university is a joke really. So, so, so many people i meet say things like "I got an apprenticeship at IBM and now I'm earning 30k".

    Somewhere down the line, university (where you learn about the academic world of research and theses rather than employability-skills like client management) have managed to trick students into thinking that they have something to do with vocation.

    James Dyson leads the way. Either apprenticeships or vocational degrees at specialist colleges like his which lead directly into a job should be for most people.

    Let's not shut down 200+ universities, but lets privatise their inefficient schemes (non-vocational Undergraduate courses) and keep them as purely seats of academia.

    We should only entirely fund our the top 15 unis as they are 'national treasures'.
    I agree, partially with your premise but not completely.

    1. What you're proposing would have a pretty drastic effect on the higher education industry - we're talking thousands of people (academics and staff) losing their jobs. Non-traditional uni students would struggle to find an agreeable way into higher education which then sets a whole demographic of people back.

    2. That said, I think there are about 50-ish universities worth being called universities and that the other institutions should really morph more into a different type of institution (i.e. vocational, part-time/flexible only etc) that would be more accommodating to their intakes.

    3. Those universities + some others, are already targeted fairly heavily by top employers. There's already a sorting mechanism in place where students at these top ~20-25 unis are exposed far more to "general" opportunities than the next step down. On top of that, you have the universities that really excel in particular areas that also draw top employers (e.g. Brunel for design, Bournemouth for media, Heriot Watt for engineering etc).

    4. There are universities outside of that list that perform exceptional research and it would be a shame for those to not continue receiving the funding that they need.



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    (Original post by tyson69)
    Lancaster is top ten in the UK
    Glasgow is 80 in the world..

    maybe Im wrong idk, but I think it is more sensible to shut down the expolys, not well-established universities
    Lancaster is an above average university trying to masquerade itself as a top 10 university, really should be ranked 25-ish.

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    (Original post by CollectiveSoul)
    All unis should banned from teaching non-vocational deegres on the taxypayer, except Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE, UCL, St Andrews, Durham, Warwick, Bath, Bristol, Exeter, KCL, Edinburgh, Manchester and Nottingham.

    I think university is a joke really. So, so, so many people i meet say things like "I got an apprenticeship at IBM and now I'm earning 30k".

    Somewhere down the line, university (where you learn about the academic world of research and theses rather than employability-skills like client management) have managed to trick students into thinking that they have something to do with vocation.

    James Dyson leads the way. Either apprenticeships or vocational degrees at specialist colleges like his which lead directly into a job should be for most people.

    Let's not shut down 200+ universities, but lets privatise their inefficient schemes (non-vocational Undergraduate courses) and keep them as purely seats of academia.

    We should only entirely fund our the top 15 unis as they are 'national treasures'.
    This is the most ridiculous theory I have ever seen. We would screw our economy in many different ways if we took this really narrow view.

    As a recruiter, I wouldn’t be able to recruit for my graduate programmes if I was only able to recruit people 14 different unis. Having worked at a Big 4 accountancy firm, a major FMCG company, international law firms, a telecoms company, for consultancy, finance, investment and the public sector, all of those companies/organisations would be screwed if they couldn’t recruit graduates from outside of those 14 unis (most of their roles never required a vocational degree). Saying they should all switch to apprenticeships is completely unrealistic. It’s bad enough not having enough grads that are ready for the work place and many of the jobs here roles are for are not appropriate for someone who hasn’t completed a level 6 qualification.

    They’d all have to recruit from abroad if such a restriction was put in place.
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    oh shut up for once
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    I have said this before but people usually grow out of that little special feeling that comes from studying at Uni X by the time they're a couple terms into uni. It is all very bizarre, OP, that you're a graduate and you're still obsessed with uni prestige and what it says about you. There are few posts on here where you don't mention your having studied at St Andies/the prestigiousness of St Andies.

    It is a wholly myopic and superficial world-view which I could not find more unsophisticated.
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    rofl lmao
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    (Original post by CollectiveSoul)
    All unis should banned from teaching non-vocational deegres on the taxypayer, except Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE, UCL, St Andrews, Durham, Warwick, Bath, Bristol, Exeter, KCL, Edinburgh, Manchester and Nottingham.

    I think university is a joke really. So, so, so many people i meet say things like "I got an apprenticeship at IBM and now I'm earning 30k".

    Somewhere down the line, university (where you learn about the academic world of research and theses rather than employability-skills like client management) have managed to trick students into thinking that they have something to do with vocation.

    James Dyson leads the way. Either apprenticeships or vocational degrees at specialist colleges like his which lead directly into a job should be for most people.

    Let's not shut down 200+ universities, but lets privatise their inefficient schemes (non-vocational Undergraduate courses) and keep them as purely seats of academia.

    We should only entirely fund our the top 15 unis as they are 'national treasures'.
    Like PrincePieMan, I also partially agree with what you're saying. Accountancy degrees are a joke, for example. If you want to be a chartered accountant, do the vocational qualifications instead. A degree won't teach you to be an accountant. I work with very senior people in tech who never had a degree, yet are incredibly capable. Silicon Valley is filled with billionaires who don't have degrees (Gates, Jobs , Zuckerberg).

    That said, for the sake of this debate, would you increase numbers accepted in to the "big 15", assuming people met the high entry requirements? Some really capable people don't get in to the top 15 universities for different reasons. I know in QUB, for example, many students in the School of Electronics, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from NI get AAA or better at A-Levels (usually in STEM subjects). They don't attend the "big 15" due to the costs being much higher than QUB. I have no doubt some of these students would excel in the "big 15" if the costs were not so prohibitive for them.
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    Like PrincePieMan, I also partially agree with what you're saying. Accountancy degrees are a joke, for example. If you want to be a chartered accountant, do the vocational qualifications instead. A degree won't teach you to be an accountant. I work with very senior people in tech who never had a degree, yet are incredibly capable. Silicon Valley is filled with billionaires who don't have degrees (Gates, Jobs , Zuckerberg).

    That said, for the sake of this debate, would you increase numbers accepted in to the "big 15", assuming people met the high entry requirements? Some really capable people don't get in to the top 15 universities for different reasons. I know in QUB, for example, many students in the School of Electronics, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from NI get AAA or better at A-Levels (usually in STEM subjects). They don't attend the "big 15" due to the costs being much higher than QUB. I have no doubt some of these students would excel in the "big 15" if the costs were not so prohibitive for them.
    Lol, even from LSE, Warwick et al.
    Accountancy also has a few sponsored degree programs such as PwC flying start and a KPMG which I cant quite remember the name.

    I doubt those above are a 'joke'
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    We like our Universities here in Wales and wouldn’t want to lose any of them.

    The University of Wales Trinity St David “appears” as a New Uni as Swansea, Carmarthen and Lampeter have now all amalgamated yet there is incredible work being done here...Swansea are becoming a multi million Centre for construction and engineering, Carmarthen are having the Welsh TV channel S4C actually move to the campus and Lampeter is an excellent centre for religious and Chinese studies and is the oldest Uni after Oxford and Cambridge in England and Wales.

    League tables seem to be the be all and end all with the millennial generation as they know no different. Quality of life on campus, enjoyment of your course are essential to health and well being and not every student wants or aspires to be “Oxbridge material” or a top 10 Uni student.

    There is enough pressure in the workplace. My advice is choose a Uni and course you will feel happiest in, and not just because it is high in the league tables.
 
 
 
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