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Tommy Robinson invited to palace of Westminster

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Of course he was criticised by another lord (by guess what a Muslim Lord)

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Good. The right should take a lead out of Corbyn’s book and invite whoever they want in and not give a toss or apologise. Corbyn invited actual terrorists so they do not have any sort of moral high ground
Original post by karl pilkington
[video="youtube;5bjks3fmajM"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bjks3fmajM[/video]

Of course he was criticised by another lord (by guess what a Muslim Lord)

[video]https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/974264352495882240[/video]


I wonder why a Muslim might object to Tommy Robbinson.
Tommy is a legend and a hero. Unfortunately the grave mistake of starting out as the EDL, which he later realized was not the solution and left, means he will never get rid of that far-right stigma, or be listened to by the other side. And he may have been careless at times talking about all Muslims, when really he means the ideology of Islam and not Muslims themselves, and gave people who have the knives out the kind of ammo they need to simply repeat the word 'hate' every time he says anything.

The truth is on Tommy's side, but saying that, the response to the problematic aspects of Islam has often bordered on moronic and ridiculous, rather than sensible, fair, genuine and honest. Such as Britain first walking around Muslim areas with crosses and union-jacks and stuff of that ilk. I can see where the left come from when they see most of the rhetoric from people with concerns about what Islam has done to this country and they violence that has been done in its name in just this country alone.

You can't treat all Muslims like **** and ridicule them and expect to get a fair dialogue. However, even the most respectful, sincere approaches don't work either.

The lunatic leftist ideology that has become dominant in society simply will not permit any depiction of Islam other than being a religion of peace. And many Muslims believe their religion is the perfect word of God and shouldn't be allowed to ever be criticised, with many claiming it is a religion of peace also. (Mods, I urge not to remove this post just because I pointed that fact out).

We just have to learn to live with the fact Leftist long-game of the 'long march through the institutions' has been the most success political coup ever and they have succeeded in destroying traditional British cultural values like freedom of expression, rationalism, logic, empiricism, real liberal tolerance and intellectual freedom and replacing it with repressive, neo-marxist, totalitarian ideologies like political correctness and all the rest, and try to deal with the cultural destruction that comes with it.

No one is going to change that situation.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
I wonder why a Muslim might object to Tommy Robbinson.


Same reason a Jew might with Corbyn.😂
Original post by Davij038
Same reason a Jew might with Corbyn.😂


I take this serioulsy and Labour cannont just brush away how unpopular they are with a lot of Jews at the moment.

Corbyn's anti-semitism (if it exists) is of the regressive left type. It isn't intentional but it emerges out of associating with anti-semites due to being allied against shared opponents. Eg dislike of globalism or crimes of western backed states, such as Isreal.

Corbyn has Jewish supporters as well. Are they all Corbyn's useful jewish idiots? Which is a common charge made at them. Are they Corbyn's Kapos? I've seen this at the more estreme deranged end. (lets see how antisemitic and offensive we can make this)
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Original post by Davij038
Good. The right should take a lead out of Corbyn’s book and invite whoever they want in and not give a toss or apologise. Corbyn invited actual terrorists so they do not have any sort of moral high ground


No he did not.
Mr Pearson is a well-known anti-Muslim bigot.
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Original post by DeBruyne18
No he did not.


Yes he did he invited Gerry Adams to Parliament in the 1990's here is the picture to prove it

Of course some people may not see Adams as a Terrorist but he always used to carry the coffins of IRA members who has passed away along with his mate Martin McGuiness
Original post by Stewpid
Yes he did he invited Gerry Adams to Parliament in the 1990's here is the picture to prove it

Of course some people may not see Adams as a Terrorist but he always used to carry the coffins of IRA members who has passed away along with his mate Martin McGuiness


So carrying a coffin makes you a terrorist?

Crickey.
Original post by DeBruyne18
So carrying a coffin makes you a terrorist?

Crickey.


That's not the point, Adams always denied being in the IRA but Sinn Fein was pretty much the political wing of the IRA- If you are rumoured to be part of a terrorist organisation and you aren't you wouldn't turn up to an IRA funeral as the IRA was a terrorist organisation. Adams and McGuiness not only attended IRA Funerals they carried the coffins in to IRA funerals- this just amplifies the claim. Actual members of the IRA said that Adams and McGuiness was senior members.
Well what he says is spot on

There was a Rotherham sexual abuse scandal- the grooming gangs was sent down but there was no proper government response to stop it happening
Then there was Rochdale aswell- no political response to stop it happening
Now there is Telford.

Oh yes i almost forgot how's about the group of Somalis said that raping White British girls is part of there culture confirming Robinsons fears as true
Original post by Palmyra
Mr Pearson is a well-known anti-Muslim bigot.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
I take this serioulsy and Labour cannont just brush away how unpopular they are with a lot of Jews at the moment.

They kind of can, Jews aren't a large voting base any more.

Corbyn's anti-semitism (if it exists) is of the regressive left type. It isn't intentional but it emerges out of associating with anti-semites due to being allied against shared opponents. Eg dislike of globalism or crimes of western backed states, such as Isreal.


But doesn't that say more about liberals, not the left, in their total silence over Israeli crimes? And the unhealthy attitude of the liberals' political correctness around anti-semitism, that its adherents are so afraid of criticising Israel for fear of that most henious of labels? Just imagine the liberals' outrage if literally any other Western nation did what Israel does.

Not sure what is so regressive about disliking globalism or ethnic cleansing either, to be honest.
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Original post by AngeryPenguin
They kind of can, Jews aren't a large voting base any more.


Well I meant morally rather than electorally. Labour is supposed to be (well as far as I am concerned) an anti-racist party.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Well I meant morally rather than electorally. Labour is supposed to be (well as far as I am concerned) an anti-racist party.


Right, but there really isn't a problem of anti-semitism, only a narrative by the centrist and right-wing press.

Not much you can do except brush off Murdoch's press. Individual anti-semites in Labour's ranks, while painted in the media as mainstream, are quickly dealt with, and doubtless are fewer in number than in any of the other parties.
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i guess Jayda was not available

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Original post by AngeryPenguin

But doesn't that say more about liberals, not the left, in their total silence over Israeli crimes? And the unhealthy attitude of the liberals' political correctness around anti-semitism, that its adherents are so afraid of criticising Israel for fear of that most henious of labels? Just imagine the liberals' outrage if literally any other Western nation did what Israel does.

Not sure what is so regressive about disliking globalism or ethnic cleansing either, to be honest.


Liberals are rarely outraged by crimes of Western countries (unless Trump is doing it, but even then, quite alot still support a lot of them). YOu are giving them to much credit. :tongue:

They aren't. But for example take Turkey. It is currently attacking socialist Kurds (and other minority groups) in Syria right now. This is absolutly a moral failure of western foreign policy and is ignored by to many. (see the disproportionate coverage Russia gets compared to Turkey and Syria). This doesn't mean that Russia is a good global actor just because it is an enemy of the Turkish state which itself is doing **** things.

Anti-semitism is something the left has to be careful about since that form of racism and conspiracy theories are caught up in anti-capitalism, which is the same area the left resides. So you need to be alert.
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Original post by Stewpid
That's not the point, Adams always denied being in the IRA but Sinn Fein was pretty much the political wing of the IRA- If you are rumoured to be part of a terrorist organisation and you aren't you wouldn't turn up to an IRA funeral as the IRA was a terrorist organisation. Adams and McGuiness not only attended IRA Funerals they carried the coffins in to IRA funerals- this just amplifies the claim. Actual members of the IRA said that Adams and McGuiness was senior members.

So he wasn't a terrorist then. Can we stop this silly labelling of everyone we disagree with as racist, an extremist or a terrorist. Unless you have evidence linking him to direct acts of terror.

As to the topic, of course Robinson should be allowed to speak.
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Original post by DeBruyne18
So he wasn't a terrorist then. Can we stop this silly labelling of everyone we disagree with as racist, an extremist or a terrorist. Unless you have evidence linking him to direct acts of terror.

As to the topic, of course Robinson should be allowed to speak.

Yes he was. A IRA MEMBER defined him as a high ranking member within the IRA and it's believable. I will celebrate when Gerry Adams dies
Original post by Stewpid
Yes he was. A IRA MEMBER defined him as a high ranking member within the IRA and it's believable. I will celebrate when Gerry Adams dies
Celebrating the death of someone is pathetic.

You so far haven't provided any evidence that he committed acts of terror.

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