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1) English Lit, Lang & History

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2) English Lit, Classical Civilisation & History?
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I’ve heard Classical Civilisation isn’t perceived very well. So I’d go for the first one.
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I’ve heard Classical Civilisation isn’t perceived very well. So I’d go for the first one.
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I’ve heard Classical Civilisation isn’t perceived very well. So I’d go for the first one.
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thank you!
Don't listen to this person at all. Trinity College at the University of Cambridge used to have a list of A-levels that it liked, which realistically still stands today. Classical civilisation was in the good list, along with subjects like history, philosophy and modern languages. English language was in the 'A-levels of limited suitability' list which meant they didn't (and realistically still don't) like those subjects as much as the ones on the good list.

You'll look like you're lacking diversity by doing both English subjects at A-level. Classical civilisation would give you more variety and would show you have a wider range of interests outside English.
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Don't listen to this person at all. Trinity College Cambridge used to have a list of A-levels that it liked, which realistically still stands today. Classical civilisation was in the good list, along with subjects like history, philosophy and modern languages. English language was in the 'A-levels of limited suitability' list which meant they didn't like those subjects as much as the ones on the good list.

You'll look like you're lacking diversity by doing both English subjects at A-level. Classical civilisation would give you more variety and would show you other a wider range of interests other than English.
thank you so much!!
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Don't listen to this person at all. Trinity College Cambridge used to have a list of A-levels that it liked, which realistically still stands today. Classical civilisation was in the good list, along with subjects like history, philosophy and modern languages. English language was in the 'A-levels of limited suitability' list which meant they didn't like those subjects as much as the ones on the good list.

You'll look like you're lacking diversity by doing both English subjects at A-level. Classical civilisation would give you more variety and would show you other a wider range of interests other than English.
It might depend on the university. I was warned multiple times when picking courses not to do that because, essentially, I was told it was useless.
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Which will look better??

1) English Lit, Lang & History

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2) English Lit, Classical Civilisation & History?
Hi there,

I would advise that you pick your subject choices based upon what you want to do after your A-levels and your career ideas and try not to think too much about what would look better to a university.

It is better to look at it from a what will look better for the degree subject I am applying to.

It would be really helpful if you could get back in touch with what it is you want to move onto after A-levels and your career ideas.

Thanks - Sophie.
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It might depend on the university. I was warned multiple times when picking courses not to do that because, essentially, I was told it was useless.
You still haven't provided the names of any universities or people who told you that, just someone told you. Yes it would be useless for a science degree, not an arts/humanites degree which the OP is obviously gearing towards.
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You still haven't provided the names of any universities or people who told you that, just someone told you. Yes it would be useless for a science degree, not an arts/humanites degree that OP is obviously gearing towards.
Family and researching it.
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Hi there,

I would advise that you pick your subject choices based upon what you want to do after your A-levels and your career ideas and try not to think too much about what would look better to a university.

It is better to look at it from a what will look better for the degree subject I am applying to.

It would be really helpful if you could get back in touch with what it is you want to move onto after A-levels and your career ideas.

Thanks - Sophie.
I would like to do a degree in English Literature. Thank you for your reply!
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Family and researching it.
Your family is an unofficial source and they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. Classical civilisation is on LSE's preferred subject list (so is English language, but as I said the OP will be lacking diversity by doing both English subjects at A-level).

'Examples of narrow subject combinations might be Economics, Business Studies and one other or English Language, English Literature and one other'

'Common traditional academic/'generally preferred' subjects:

Ancient History
Biology
Classical Civilisation
Chemistry
Computing
Economics
English (English Language, English Literature and English Language and Literature)
Further Mathematics*
Geography
Government and Politics
History
Languages: Modern Foreign, Classic and Community**
Law
Mathematics
Music
Philosophy
Physics
Psychology
Religious Studies
Sociology'

http://www.lse.ac.uk/study-at-lse/Un...y-Requirements

Although this is for LSE it stands to reason that if it's good enough for LSE then it's good enough for anywhere. The overlapping subjects statement will be true for any other good university as well.

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I would like to do a degree in English Literature. Thank you for your reply!
Classical Civilisation could be a really nice one to compliment English Literature and History. Given the analysis of aincent literature which is an integral part of the course it might allow you to show a breadth of literary knowledge across a scope of time.

English Language would also combine nicely. Make sure you look at the spec carefully because there's parts of the course, especially in Y13 and parts of Y12 too, that are nothing like GCSE!

Honestly, for a Literature degree, I think that neither subject would make your application stronger than the other. If you're interested in aincent literature and culture then Classics is for you, if you prefer looking at language and how it shapes who we are then go for English Language. Do what you're interested in. Then you'll do well, and have as many options as possible open to you.
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Your family is an unofficial source and they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. Classical civilisation is on LSE's preferred subject list (so is English language, but as I said the OP will be lacking diversity by doing both English subjects at A-level).

'Examples of narrow subject combinations might be Economics, Business Studies and one other or English Language, English Literature and one other'

'Common traditional academic/'generally preferred' subjects:

Ancient History
Biology
Classical Civilisation
Chemistry
Computing
Economics
English (English Language, English Literature and English Language and Literature)
Further Mathematics*
Geography
Government and Politics
History
Languages: Modern Foreign, Classic and Community**
Law
Mathematics
Music
Philosophy
Physics
Psychology
Religious Studies
Sociology'

http://www.lse.ac.uk/study-at-lse/Un...y-Requirements

Although this is for LSE it stands to reason that if it's good enough for LSE then it's good enough for anywhere.
Thanks for letting me know
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I would like to do a degree in English Literature. Thank you for your reply!
Thanks for getting back to me.

Based on your subject choice you could think about taking both Language and Literature within your subjects.

I've been looking on UCAS at a range of different universities offering English Lit degrees, some ask for both Lang & Lit some only ask for English Literature.

It may be helpful to do some research into the uni's you would like to go to and what their entry requirements are before making your final decision -
https://digital.ucas.com/search/resu...h%20Literature

I hope this helps - Sophie.
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Thanks for getting back to me.

Based on your subject choice I would advise Language and Literature within your subjects.

I've been looking on UCAS at a range of different universities offering English Lit degrees, some ask for both Lang & Lit some only ask for English Literature.

It may be helpful to do some research into the uni's you would like to go to and what their entry requirements are before making your final decision -
https://digital.ucas.com/search/resu...h%20Literature

I hope this helps - Sophie.
baeornot DO NOT listen to this person.

The universities are not asking for both English language and English literature at all. There is a combined A-level called English language and literature that is a single A-level on its own (this A-level is less commonly available at schools and colleges than either subject on its own). It is an acceptable, though realistically less preferred alternative for English literature A-level when applying for an English literature degree.
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baeornot DO NOT listen to this person.

The universities are not asking for both English language and English literature at all. There is a combined A-level called English language and literature that is a single A-level on its own (this A-level is less commonly available at schools and colleges than either subject on its own). It is an acceptable, though realistically less preferred alternative for English literature A-level when applying for an English literature degree.
Hi there,

Really appreciate your input here, it's important to look at this from different angles.

There are some universities who's entry requirements are both language and literature or the combined English A-level, some just ask for literature some don't have any specific subjects but ask that you achieve certain grades. Every university is different.

My advice to baeornot was to do some research into different literature degrees at different universities before ultimately making their final decision which is their decision to make, but with some research can make a well-informed decision.

I am sorry for any confusion my last post may have caused.

Thanks.
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Hi there,

Really appreciate your input here, it's important to look at this from different angles.

There are some universities who's entry requirements are both language and literature or the combined English A-level, some just ask for literature some don't have any specific subjects but ask that you achieve certain grades. Every university is different.

My advice to baeornot was to do some research into different literature degrees at different universities before ultimately making their final decision which is their decision to make, but with some research can make a well-informed decision.

I am sorry for any confusion my last post may have caused.

Thanks.
Please stop giving out wrong information. There absolutely is no university in the whole country that asks for both English language and English literature as separate A-level subjects for an English literature degree. Please provide some evidence that this is the case (you won't be able to).

Universities will be asking for English language at GCSE and not A-level for an English literature degree. The age-old reputation that careers advisers have no idea what they're taking about is really shining through here.
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Please stop giving out wrong information. There absolutely is no university in the whole country that asks for both English language and English literature as separate A-level subjects for an English literature degree. Please provide some evidence that this is the case (you won't be able to).

Universities will be asking for English language at GCSE and not A-level for an English literature degree. The age-old reputation that careers advisers have no idea what they're taking about is really shining through here.
We seem to have got off on the wrong foot here @Glassapple - please accept my apologies for any confusion I may have caused.

There are almost 2,000 English degree courses in the UK and unfortunately I can't go through them all but I was able to pick out some which prefer you to have Lang & Lit or the combined English lit & Lang A-level as you rightly pointed out:


https://digital.ucas.com/courses/det...6-9f3ae6a1c217



https://digital.ucas.com/courses/det...d-ba8228b57487



https://digital.ucas.com/courses/det...1-9495bc2347e4



https://digital.ucas.com/courses/det...6-821b7c97635b

I would like to try and clear this up for anyone reading the thread, it isn't essential for you to have both English subjects for all degree courses and I have come across uni's that accept Classical Civilisation as an A-level subject too. My advice is to check with the universities you have in mind and what their specific entry requirements are before making final decisions on A-level subjects.

Thanks.
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We seem to have got off on the wrong foot here @Glassapple - please accept my apologies for any confusion I may have caused.

There are almost 2,000 English degree courses in the UK and unfortunately I can't go through them all but I was able to pick out some which prefer you to have Lang & Lit or the combined English lit & Lang A-level as you rightly pointed out:


https://digital.ucas.com/courses/details?coursePrimaryId=229d807f-2534-2e9f-cbc5-319f4c038ed0&courseOptionId= 8937cbab-22e9-0c42-3046-9f3ae6a1c217



https://digital.ucas.com/courses/details?coursePrimaryId=ef35f53d-0abb-87eb-e0b8-1cd2508ef480&courseOptionId= f1b3b935-ece3-8afe-a51d-ba8228b57487



https://digital.ucas.com/courses/details?coursePrimaryId=7364dc5f-3b7f-1bc7-0516-3ddd1f569738&courseOptionId= 479d6931-7b6b-dcf8-acc1-9495bc2347e4



https://digital.ucas.com/courses/details?coursePrimaryId=5caa99a1-753c-9f8b-1996-e5f08a0d006e&courseOptionId= 140fab41-86e2-dfa2-fc76-821b7c97635b

I would like to try and clear this up for anyone reading the thread, it isn't essential for you to have both English subjects for all degree courses and I have come across uni's that accept Classical Civilisation as an A-level subject too. My advice is to check with the universities you have in mind and what their specific entry requirements are before making final decisions on A-level subjects.

Thanks.
None of the links you provided state that it is preferred to have both language and literature as separate A-level subjects (which you would realise if you'd actually read them properly). As I said before, there is absolutely no university in the entire country that prefers or requires language and literature as separate A-level subjects.

The universities in those links state that it is acceptable to apply with either just language or the combined A-level (depending on the university), not that it is preferred or required to have both as separate subjects at all. English literature A-level is always perfectly acceptable (and realistically preferred) for a degree in English literature.

A lot of universities (especially highly ranked ones) will in no way accept language instead of literature, asking for literature or the combined A-level (with literature being implicitly preferred at some universities as that's what the degree is).
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