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I'm a first year student and I feel as though I haven't had much given to me by way of advice for applying for TC's next year. I know the sort of firms I want to look at but could someone give me a good piece of advice on how to set myself up for applying for a TC? Should I do VS/Insights.

Any tips on what would make my life easier next year is welcome, as I would like to get started as early as possible
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What kind of firms are you looking at? Makes answering this a little easier
Firms that have really good financial regulation/AML teams. Like Norton Rose, Slaughter, CMS etc...
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First year:

Apply for first year programmes
Apply for open days
Apply for campus ambassador/manager roles

Penultimate year:

Apply for vacation schemes in the Autumn/Winter
Apply for training contracts in the Spring/Summer

Repeat in third year if necessary.

Repeat after you have graduated if necessary
Thank you! I'm going to look at more campus ambassador roles.

I was wondering, because of the type of law I'm going into might it be worth placing stress on the fact I've worked at HSBC for 2 years? I'm not too sure if this is valid experience I can put on a VS application
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Firms that have really good financial regulation/AML teams. Like Norton Rose, Slaughter, CMS etc...
CMS have an "academy", so to get onto their training contract, you have to be a part of the academy. The other firms are green zone, by that I mean, you can apply directly without having a vac scheme. Just how much a vac scheme helps is anyones guess.

As you asked what things you can do in the build, these are just a few I would recommend; try and get work experience this summer, how much this strengthens your application is a very awkward question, may J-SP will know better. However, I cant see how getting 1/2 legal work experience placements can do anything but make your CV stronger, even if it is a minimal amount. Secondly, grades, try and get as good as you can. I have found that first year grades are literally the most important, contrary to popular belief, when you apply for VS, you have nothing but first year grades, even for training contracts, some people do not have their full second year grades in time so there first year grades are what is considered.

Slaughters require 65+ in each module, although I am not sure if they have changed this. I asked at a law fair last year and the lady seemed quite strict on this policy. Although, I have not checked since as it put me out the running.
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Hey,

I'm a first year student and I feel as though I haven't had much given to me by way of advice for applying for TC's next year. I know the sort of firms I want to look at but could someone give me a good piece of advice on how to set myself up for applying for a TC? Should I do VS/Insights.

Any tips on what would make my life easier next year is welcome, as I would like to get started as early as possible
Literally what JSP said.

(Original post by fushrooms)
Thank you! I'm going to look at more campus ambassador roles.

I was wondering, because of the type of law I'm going into might it be worth placing stress on the fact I've worked at HSBC for 2 years? I'm not too sure if this is valid experience I can put on a VS application
It's great experience.

I'd focus on getting onto Open Days from early in second year. You show interest, learn a few things about the firm that you wouldn't have known otherwise, and may gain the odd workshop/assessment centre practice session in the process. They also help show a general interest in the commercial legal career if you put down a list of them on your application.
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CMS have an "academy", so to get onto their training contract, you have to be a part of the academy. The other firms are green zone, by that I mean, you can apply directly without having a vac scheme. Just how much a vac scheme helps is anyones guess.

As you asked what things you can do in the build, these are just a few I would recommend; try and get work experience this summer, how much this strengthens your application is a very awkward question, may J-SP will know better. However, I cant see how getting 1/2 legal work experience placements can do anything but make your CV stronger, even if it is a minimal amount. Secondly, grades, try and get as good as you can. I have found that first year grades are literally the most important, contrary to popular belief, when you apply for VS, you have nothing but first year grades, even for training contracts, some people do not have their full second year grades in time so there first year grades are what is considered.

Slaughters require 65+ in each module, although I am not sure if they have changed this. I asked at a law fair last year and the lady seemed quite strict on this policy. Although, I have not checked since as it put me out the running.
Does CMS Academy start from their open days or just from getting onto their VS?

ALSO, I have just been accepted onto training to become an adviser for the Citizens Advice Buerau so I think that may class as legal work experience. I've applied for a few smaller firms for the summer too, as the bigger ones do not seem to offer this.

In terms of Slaughter, I'm averaging a 70 from my first semester so hopefully if I can keep this up, I'll be okay 😊😊
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I'd focus on getting onto Open Days from early in second year. You show interest, learn a few things about the firm that you wouldn't have known otherwise, and may gain the odd workshop/assessment centre practice session in the process. They also help show a general interest in the commercial legal career if you put down a list of them on your application.
That's what I'm going to try and do now I think! It's a shame that I didn't realise there was so many opportunities early first semester. I was just trying to get settled and everything. I have an open day for Bristows but hopefully I'll have better luck next year too!
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Does CMS Academy start from their open days or just from getting onto their VS?

ALSO, I have just been accepted onto training to become an adviser for the Citizens Advice Buerau so I think that may class as legal work experience. I've applied for a few smaller firms for the summer too, as the bigger ones do not seem to offer this.

In terms of Slaughter, I'm averaging a 70 from my first semester so hopefully if I can keep this up, I'll be okay 😊😊
CAB is great experience. I regret not doing it during the summer of first year.

CMS starts from the VS. You don't need to have an Open Day (although many successful candidates invariably do).

The summer vac scheme people this year at Slaughters seem formidable. Keep those grades up!
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CAB is great experience. I regret not doing it during the summer of first year.

CMS starts from the VS. You don't need to have an Open Day (although many successful candidates invariably do).

The summer vac scheme people this year at Slaughters seem formidable. Keep those grades up!
Yeah! It seems like it's going to be a generally good experience, I'm excited!

I think, for me, my main worry is the type of law I want to go in to. There doesn't seem to be much opportunity to gain experience in this area. I've checked FCA, Bank of England, banks legal departments etc. I know that my uni also doesn't offer a specialist module until 3rd year.
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The summer vac scheme people this year at Slaughters seem formidable. Keep those grades up!
How did you find out? I have done my stalking on LinkedIN but found very little.
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How did you find out? I have done my stalking on LinkedIN but found very little.
Search "incoming vacation scheme at xxxxxx". That's the format you should see the vac scheme being expressed in.

If you don't mind me asking, are you a first or second year student? If you're a first year, grats for getting a strong Linkedin game so early on Most people leave it till second year
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If you don't mind me asking, are you a first or second year student? If you're a first year, grats for getting a strong Linkedin game so early on Most people leave it till second year
Haha, I'm pretty early on the LinkedIn train to be honest. I spend like half my day looking at people getting onto VS's. You've just given me a new tip 😂
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Search "incoming vacation scheme at xxxxxx". That's the format you should see the vac scheme being expressed in.

If you don't mind me asking, are you a first or second year student? If you're a first year, grats for getting a strong Linkedin game so early on Most people leave it till second year
Just spent the last hour in awe of some of them

I am in my first year, and spend literally 2-3 hours stalking people on Linkedin.

EDIT: Just got locked and asked to pay for premium membership. Apparently, I might be using it for recruitment purposes, little do they know
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That slaughters rumour is a bad one. It’s nit quite true, although they do have a strong emphasis on academic achievement, it’s not as prescriptive as what you have said.
Yeah, I went to ask to see how accurate it was, she was quite firm in her belief that getting below 65 is below par, which I suppose compared to their applicants most probably is. Did encourage me to apply, but was not exactly filled with confidence.
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You might have misunderstood. 65% average maybe, but not in every module...
Yeah most likely, although there have been a few posts knocking around on here with similar facts and the legal cheek comments section, though, the authenticity of both, is questionable to say the least.
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I didn't even realise that was possible haha - wow.

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Yeah most likely, although there have been a few posts knocking around on here with similar facts and the legal cheek comments section, though, the authenticity of both, is questionable to say the least.
The people I know irl (and who I've seen on Linkedin) get vac schemes are definitely above a 65 average for the second year vac scheme. Anywhere from 67 to 70+. The people I know with TCs tend to vary somewhat - they may have gotten low 2:1s overall in first year, but they pushed them up to Firsts in second and third year. It seems that you need to be on track for a First overall, even though there is some tolerance for lower grades.

Obviously, not every grade has to be a 65 It's the average that counts!
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Lots of people with low 2:1s and those who have 2:2 modules interview and get into Slaughters. Those who post grades on linkedin are not a good representation.

It's also a *******ing weird firm and if you're halfway normal - chances aren't in your favour if you're posting here - you should avoid.
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Lots of people with low 2:1s and those who have 2:2 modules interview and get into Slaughters. Those who post grades on linkedin are not a good representation.

It's also a *******ing weird firm and if you're halfway normal - chances aren't in your favour if you're posting here - you should avoid.
How do you know this? It seems unlikely but I guess it does make sense, if the individual shows quality elsewhere, grades are only a small fraction, albeit at S&M they do seem to care more than others.
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I didn't even realise that was possible haha - wow.


The people I know irl (and who I've seen on Linkedin) get vac schemes are definitely above a 65 average for the second year vac scheme. Anywhere from 67 to 70+. The people I know with TCs tend to vary somewhat - they may have gotten low 2:1s overall in first year, but they pushed them up to Firsts in second and third year. It seems that you need to be on track for a First overall, even though there is some tolerance for lower grades.

Obviously, not every grade has to be a 65 It's the average that counts!
Neither did I, it has given me a good realisation how bad I can procrastinate.


Yeah, the whole grade requirement seems to be quite sketchy with most firms. Its weird because some people have gotten into top firms with 61/62 average whereas others have 76+ and struggle to get into even medium size firms. One does wonder how bad their application forms must be.
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How do you know this? It seems unlikely but I guess it does make sense, if the individual shows quality elsewhere, grades are only a small fraction, albeit at S&M they do seem to care more than others.
I know people who did it. Also I had 2:2 grades and got a TC there. I got a first overall but think I got the offer in final year so they wouldn't have known the outcome. They asked me about the grades at interview, the only firm to do so. They also asked a "debate" question from a topic in a module of my degree. I agree, they do care about taking an "academic" type. Pretty much everyone I know there/who was there is weird. In some people, it's not necessarily a bad thing. But....
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