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Why do YOU want to go to Oxbridge?

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Reply 60
matt54
Damn, I have been brought back in. I don't care what anyone from LSE said anyway. They rejected me, they must all be talking rubbish...

*grins* TSR has a way of doing that, pulling you back in with its claws. :wink: :biggrin:

moody28028
Also, an oxbridge degree looks more attractive to employers than one from the lesser unis.

Small correction: a *good* Oxbridge degree looks attractive. An average or bad degree looks simply average or bad, wherever you've take it. Furthermore, a 2:1 from Oxbridge certainly does not trump a 1st from any other 'lesser' (hmmm...) university -- and would still find very stiff competition amongst other 2:1s. Oxbridge is a great springboard, but by no means a ticket to sucess -- sorry!
Nichrome
Bull****. Imperial is not difficult to get into for Physics. At my interview at Imperial, all got a place, and all were Oxbridge rejects (I was the only one there with an Oxbridge offer). Conversely, at my cambridge interview of about 9 people who were there that day, only me and one other guy got a place. Imperial gives out many, many more offers for Physics than either of Oxford and Cambridge.


not ****ing bull**** thats THE ACTUAL EXACT FIGURES! your experience is not representative. imperial doesnt interview at all like cambridge. they witlle down alot/mostly with your initial application for alot of courses. the interviews i suspect are more disgriminatory for some people than others. i think they group them into various levels of candidates too. in mine there were many oxbridge applicants, atleast a third/half while my mates had almost none. the figures i gave you are straight from ucas and oxfords website so you can check them yourself!
Reply 62
epitome

Small correction: a *good* Oxbridge degree looks attractive. An average or bad degree looks simply average or bad, wherever you've take it. Furthermore, a 2:1 from Oxbridge certainly does not trump a 1st from any other 'lesser' (hmmm...) university -- and would still find very stiff competition amongst other 2:1s. Oxbridge is a great springboard, but by no means a ticket to sucess -- sorry!



+1


After trying Oxford for a term I would say that, unless:

a) you're a very gifted person who needs to be stretched in the oxbridge environment (includes nerds)
b) oxbridge is where you desperately want to go for family / prestige reasons (includes hooray henrys)
c) dedicated finance wannabes who want a golden cv (mostly careerists)
d) or even if you're just up for the challenge (all mentalists)

then seriously think about going somewhere else. You can have more time for fun, less work, a more realistic bunch of people, and achieve the same.

That is said with both retrospect and respect to everyone there and applying. I am not categorising people. But I'd say everyone at oxbridge fits into one of those.
Blergh

Around 150 people, across ALL subjects, turn down Oxford offers each year. I don't see any reason why the figures for Cambridge will be terribly different. What does this mean? You're not going to find many people doing physics at Imperial who got offers from Oxbridge. Oxford taake around 200 people a year to do physics, or around 1 in 15 of the year as a whole. Assuming physics students turn down offers as regularly as those given offers as a whole, that's around 10 people. Double it for Cambridge, and even if we make the gargantuan and utterly unfounded assumption(albeit one that weakens my point, hence justifiable) all thosee people go to imperial, that's still only 20 people doing Imperial physics having received Oxbridge offers each year. I'd hazard a guess that, unless Imperial and Oxbridge look for mutually exclusive (for the most part) qualities in applicants, most of those who go to oxford to do physics will have received offers from imperial.

If most students at uni A get an offer from uni B and very few at uni B get an offer from uni A, that suggests to me that there's quite a pronounced difference between how difficult it is to get into each one. Competitiveness is contingent upon the quality of the application pool, not just it's size relative to the amount of offers given. Those two factor's aren't necessarily correlated. Do let me know if you feel I've made any unjustifiable assumptions or invoked any kind of shoddy reasoning (there are certainly some points of my argument that could be made a bit more explicitly, but I'm slightly drunk so, pfft). I suppose I've not accounted for the possibility of there being some massive pool of applicants who go for Imperial but not for Oxford. it doesn't some terribly probable
That was to solo2wolf, obv.

a) you're a very gifted person who needs to be stretched in the oxbridge environment (includes nerds)
b) oxbridge is where you desperately want to go for family / prestige reasons (includes hooray henrys)
c) dedicated finance wannabes who want a golden cv (mostly careerists)
d) or even if you're just up for the challenge (all mentalists)


Oh ****...I think I'm all four of those(though more a careerist with respect to academia).
Reply 65
If I had applied it would have been for the prestige and power on a CV...
Reply 66
sabzi
+1

What does this mean?? *confuzzled*
Reply 67
All said and done, Oxford is perhaps a little overrated compared to top 3 London unis (Imperial, UCL, LSE) anyway.
Reply 68
pffft, I retract it for the use of *confuzzled*.

It means: me too / well said
Reply 69
because it's the best and i'm stupidly competitive.
Reply 70
edders
All said and done, Oxford is perhaps a little overrated compared to top 3 London unis (Imperial, UCL, LSE) anyway.

Often, yes.

Sabzi
pffft, I retract it for the use of *confuzzled*.

It means: me too / well said

Sorry! :p:
Reply 71
solo2wolf
not ****ing bull**** thats THE ACTUAL EXACT FIGURES! your experience is not representative. imperial doesnt interview at all like cambridge. they witlle down alot/mostly with your initial application for alot of courses. the interviews i suspect are more disgriminatory for some people than others. i think they group them into various levels of candidates too. in mine there were many oxbridge applicants, atleast a third/half while my mates had almost none. the figures i gave you are straight from ucas and oxfords website so you can check them yourself!


The 19% figure you used was the number of people who actually enrolled on the course out of those who applied, the percentage of people who got in (i.e got an offer) would be far, far higher. Learn to use statistics properly.
Reply 72
Nichrome
The 19% figure you used was the number of people who actually enrolled on the course out of those who applied, the percentage of people who got in (i.e got an offer) would be far, far higher. Learn to use statistics properly.

To settle this bizarre Imperial physics argument you're both having, let me offer my view. I would say that the incoming class is probably 10% extremely intelligent, 20% clever and hardworking, 30% solid middle management potential (lol), 50% probably peaked with their A Levels.
And yes, Oxbridge is harder to get into than Imperial. Whether this means their physics course is actually better is a moot point though; the additional difficulty probably comes down to the prestige factor rather than superior teaching etc. Both places produce good physicists.
Can I just add my two pennies (stupid proverb) about the whole Imperial Oxbridge thing. Going on my two interviews at Imperial and of course the belief that the admissions tutor(s) were not lying; they do only interview a very small proportion of the applicants. Those who are most suitable, judging from the UCAS form, will get interview.

But hey thats only what the admissions tutors said.
Reply 74
edders
To settle this bizarre Imperial physics argument you're both having, let me offer my view. I would say that the incoming class is probably 10% extremely intelligent, 20% clever and hardworking, 30% solid middle management potential (lol), 50% probably peaked with their A Levels.
And yes, Oxbridge is harder to get into than Imperial. Whether this means their physics course is actually better is a moot point though; the additional difficulty probably comes down to the prestige factor rather than superior teaching etc. Both places produce good physicists.


I never said that the Oxbridge courses were better, in fact I would say the Imperial course was just as good if not better, and many days I find myself wishing I'd just bloody firmed Imperial! :p: All I'm saying is Oxbridge is harder to get into, not that the actual course is any better.
Nichrome
I never said that the Oxbridge courses were better, in fact I would say the Imperial course was just as good if not better, and many days I find myself wishing I'd just bloody firmed Imperial! :p: All I'm saying is Oxbridge is harder to get into, not that the actual course is any better.


Calm down, life is good.
Reply 76
Greatleysteg
Not the same people from council estates and such who think the perfect Friday night is spent listening to chav music in Town (no offense).


None taken.
I have accepted my Oxford offer for the following reasons; mostly already mentioned:

1) The weight it will carry in the job market.
2) Meeting other people with similar attitudes towards uni; yes, to have fun, but not let the quality of the nightlife dictate where you go. I think it's where I am most likely to meet similar people, from whom I will hopefully make many friends to go travelling with etc.
3) The academic challenge, supervised by some crazy-ass tutors.
4) Make my family and friends proud :biggrin: Half the town seems to know by now; even my GP made a comment the other day.
5) Impressing girls' parents :wink:
6) It's close to London; the reason I didn't apply to Durham... despite...
7) Liking the collegiate system.
8) Making important contacts for the future.
9) Short term-times.
10) General reputation and prestige.
11) I hate Cambridge :P
Nichrome
The 19% figure you used was the number of people who actually enrolled on the course out of those who applied, the percentage of people who got in (i.e got an offer) would be far, far higher. Learn to use statistics properly.


lol get a grip!i thought id made a mistake as i didnt think you'd make such a statement without checking the data lol. number of UK male applicants for 2006 physics at imperil=1022, offers=202 thus 20% success rate. oxford aps=698, offers=224. thus 32%success rate. i would comment on the oxbridge rejects mainly being imperials successes and how its statistically impossible but i dont think many people believe that statement anyway. plus its quarter to 1!
Imperial take about 200 students a year to do physics...there's no ****ing way the number of offers they give out is the same as the number of places. Care to provide a source?

would comment on the oxbridge rejects mainly being imperials successes and how its statistically impossible but i dont think many people believe that statement anyway.


Perhaps you'd care to show where my reasoning went wrong, rather than just blankly ignoring it? What people believe is irrelevant.

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