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CarneLevare
The percentage of people accepted is an absolutely atrocious way of measuring competitiveness/quality of intake.


quality of intake yes, competitiveness i really dont think so!if they had a really bad year theyd still be accepting the same no. for the course, thus itd be just as competitive despite crap applicants.
HCD
Well, I deleted that post because I thought your data was wrong? What fields was that data based on? Imperial Physics alone? Or was it just Imperial Physical Sciences?


no i mean based on georgraphy being physical not social. then theres 100 more offers than places.
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solo2wolf
quality of intake yes, competitiveness i really dont think so!if they had a really bad year theyd still be accepting the same no. for the course, thus itd be just as competitive despite crap applicants.


I think you may be missing the point a little here.

People who apply to Oxford or Cambridge are probably going to be stronger applicants than those who apply for Imperial. Some people put Imperial down because they think they'll chance it, or don't know the entrance requirements, even though they're not good enough to get offers. However, Oxford and Cambridge are daunting, and also demand an application fee, which will put insincere applicants off. Oxford and Cambridge also require special hassle and effort to apply to; Imperial only requires you to tick another box off on UCAS.
solo2wolf
i agree very much with that. law at lse for a male=21:1, oxford 3.6:1, cambridge 4.1:1. definitely LSE is harder to get. thats just law but it holds true across all subjects. it must be understood that PLENTY (the data suggests THE MAJORITY) of the higher achieving applicants DO NOT apply for oxbridge. its definitely the case in my college though i think public schools have a very different demographic and thats where alot of TSR are coming from.


I remember when I was applying for philosophy at King's (Cambridge) the ratio of applicants to offers was 10:1, whereas at Bristol it was 20:1. However, it is important to remember that nearly everyone who gets an offer from Cambridge accepts it, whereas proportionally not many who get an offer from Bristol will (they'll often accept Oxbridge, Durham, LSE, UCL, Warwick, Nottingham, Exeter etc etc instead). So although the ratio for philosophy at Bristol is 20 applicants for every place, they probably give about 6 offers for each place (as about 1/6 of the people who apply there will accept it...this is just an estimate). What I'm trying to say is that you need to consider the applicants to OFFER ratio, not the applicants to place ratio. Apologies if that is what you are in fact doing, but I doubt it.
solo2wolf
i do agree it seems alot harder to get as the interviews are much more challenging but i dont think the competitions is that much better.i think imperial will have alot more desperate hopefuls(maybe 20%) but that still leaves 818 in our example, larger than oxfords. but we know grades =/= intelligence so we say a further 20%are just hard working airheads (i know theres a few of them at ox for sure...) we have 654. so, compared to the 698 oxford lot thats pretty close to as competitive as oxford (without removing those who didnt cut the mustard for ox either though thats probs 5%).though i had great questions at imperial too they were more of a extra i thought.

also get this!!!for ox phys in 2006 381 offers were made...average entry according to the site for phys and phys philo was....196!thats pretty suprising!im not that rare at all :frown: that means half declined their offers...iv checked...made no mistakes....the ox site says 196 is the average intake over 3 years...so anyone know if the phys department grew....alot...lol. you really may wanna take a look at that yourselves coz im pretty shocked. it makes sense to me but the attitude on here sorta gets you used to "oxbridge is god!".



does that answer u hcd :wink: i already considered such
econbod
because it's the best and i'm stupidly competitive.

+1

It's also the most well known for my course (PPE).
I know that going to Oxford might not be as 'fun' as at other Uni's but I know that if I don't get in/don't apply I would always be thinking 'what if' which is quite a bummer.
I applied to Cambridge because I had chosen five of my universities and was struggling to choose a sixth...my teachers told me I was predicted AAA so I thought I might apply. It was more of a 'I'll have a go' thing than a conscious decision. I wanted the experience of the interview, and I didn't think about job prospects or anything as I didn't think I had a serious chance of getting in. I can't say I applied for such-and-such a reason when I didn't think I would get in. I liked the course though. I'd never visited before, didn't really know much about it, but when I went for my interview I really liked the city and the whole experience of the interview so I knew I wanted to go there then.

I had a warped perception of Cambridge before I applied-- I thought my interview would be with two elderly men wearing tweed, and that I'd go in and they'd think I was a bit of a joke. I'm in my second year now, and I think if you'd told me, my parents or my teachers a few years ago we would all be a bit surprised, but I definitely made the right decision to apply.
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solo2wolf
does that answer u hcd :wink: i already considered such


I think 20% was on the conservative side, though. Of course, we'll never be able to empirically quantify it; at this stage, it's all just conjecture.

I would imagine, however, that it is easier to get an offer from Imperial than it is to get an offer from Oxford or Cambridge. Imperial only interview the people they're probably going to give offers to anyway. That said, this year I've heard a lot of post-interview rejectees from Imperial for Physics on TSR, seems they've had a boom this year! I guess we can't really say for sure.

What's the point in all this anyway? :p:
epitome
Dude, get your facts right.
Cambridge admits over 3,500 students *every year*...and that's just undergrad. There are over 10,000 students overall in this University, and then all those from Anglia Ruskin University too.



I meant every year :p: just didn't type it. Either way, I was only correcting him in thinking there were 'hundreds' of students. :mad:
Profesh
None taken.



:P well SOME people obviously took offense to my post, how on earth I don't know. I GOT 5 NEG REPS for it. What's wrong with this post:

Greatleysteg
I personally want to go to Oxford for a myriad of reasons. Of course, the prestige is one of them. The fact that I'd be in regular contact with internationally renowned academics is, of course, also attiring. These are people who've achieved exactly what I want to achieve, so they're not only awe-inspiring, but inspirational in their very presence.
The fact that the collegiate system makes you feel like you belong personally to a collegiate family, yet still part of the whole is desirable. You're not swallowed up by a crowd, but there's still that variety. You also get attached the your college, which I hope I'll experience.
The fact that it's rated as the second best institution in the World and consistently rated the top university in Europe shows the global regard for it; crucial for me, as I aim to work internationally.
Of course, it'll open doors, and you're also bound to meet people who'll go on to be very successful - contacts are things of which you can never have too many. Your job prospects are generally highly elevated with an Oxbridge degree.
The fact that people of a similar mindset will be there was probably the biggest factor in my decision to go there, I would say. Not just because I'm competitive, and want to be the best among the best, but because I've always had to put up with comments at my school about me being a swot, a fag, a geek, a loser, just because I like to read, to talk, to debate and to write. Of course, I enjoyed the popularity of being Chairman of the Sixth Form, and writing the school panto and stuff, but I just want to be with people who think along the same lines and share the same interests, have the same abilities. Not the same people from council estates and such who think the perfect Friday night is spent listening to chav music in Town (no offense).
Why do YOU want to go t... 18-02-2008 22:36 cock. and yes i go to oxford

Why do YOU want to go t... 18-02-2008 22:11 cute and naive, but too embarrassingly ignorant for words.

Are/were you state-scho... 18-02-2008 20:24

Why do YOU want to go t... 18-02-2008 20:02 ****in ****** fag

Why do YOU want to go t... 18-02-2008 19:52 Offence taken. Not only are you smug and pedantic, but you're also a snob. Hopefully the old Etonians that you meet at Oxford will have the same kind of attitude towards you as you do to "chavs" in council flats.



They're the negs I got for my post saying why I wanted to go to Oxford.

To the person who's calling me a snob - yeah, thanks. I live on a council estate? I think I've every right to hate my neighbours for their disruptive antics. I've always gone to a comp. school and none of my family went to uni. How ignorant f yoou to neg me for this.
Greatleysteg
You spelt prestige wrong :p:

What do you mean when you say 'literally' hundreds of students? Oxford and Cambridge each boast around 3,000 students, and Oxford also has Oxford Brookes, Cambridge has the Ruskin College....

I personally want to go to Oxford for a myriad of reasons. Of course, the prestige is one of them. The fact that I'd be in regular contact with internationally renowned academics is, of course, also attiring. These are people who've achieved exactly what I want to achieve, so they're not only awe-inspiring, but inspirational in their very presence.
The fact that the collegiate system makes you feel like you belong personally to a collegiate family, yet still part of the whole is desirable. You're not swallowed up by a crowd, but there's still that variety. You also get attached the your college, which I hope I'll experience.
The fact that it's rated as the second best institution in the World and consistently rated the top university in Europe shows the global regard for it; crucial for me, as I aim to work internationally.
Of course, it'll open doors, and you're also bound to meet people who'll go on to be very successful - contacts are things of which you can never have too many. Your job prospects are generally highly elevated with an Oxbridge degree.
The fact that people of a similar mindset will be there was probably the biggest factor in my decision to go there, I would say. Not just because I'm competitive, and want to be the best among the best, but because I've always had to put up with comments at my school about me being a swot, a fag, a geek, a loser, just because I like to read, to talk, to debate and to write. Of course, I enjoyed the popularity of being Chairman of the Sixth Form, and writing the school panto and stuff, but I just want to be with people who think along the same lines and share the same interests, have the same abilities. Not the same people from council estates and such who think the perfect Friday night is spent listening to chav music in Town (no offense).

wut you on about mate?! thats wut me and the lads do on a friday night out in cambridge :mad:

I understand your most eloquent point, but it did come across (ewww) as quite elitist in your tone; perhaps unintentionally, I surmise...

They're the negs I got for my post saying why I wanted to go to Oxford.

I doubt that, for if you had just said you wanted to go to Oxford, you would have omitted your élitist comments. Call me a skeptic.
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Greatleysteg
:P well SOME people obviously took offense to my post, how on earth I don't know. I GOT 5 NEG REPS for it. What's wrong with this post:


Apparently I'm neither sufficiently insecure nor sufficiently the opposite of apathetic to take exception to such epithets. Though I'd be interested to hear your definition of 'chav music', nonetheless.
Profesh
Apparently I'm neither sufficiently insecure nor sufficiently the opposite of apathetic to take exception to such epithets. Though I'd be interested to hear your definition of 'chav music', nonetheless.



An example of chav music would be pleasure rooms. I'm not sure if anyone from outside of Liverpool knows what that is, but if you hear it you'll know.
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moody28028
When I'm old enough, (current year11) I want to apply simply because I think the city and most of the colleges are beautiful, and the bodleian(sp.?) library. My brother went there so I've been there often to visit him, and I guess I've fallen in love. :love:
Also, an oxbridge degree looks more attractive to employers than one from the lesser unis. Plus London's too expensive. :p:

Wow, your logic is seriously flawed. So you don't want to go there because you think the course looks good or you like to work hard? A lot of trade is done on the 'Oxford dream' and if you go in with that attitude I fear you will be severely disappointed if you get here. I say 'if' because the last two people I know who applied to Oxbridge largely because an older sibling had gone there before them didn't get in...

Sabzi

After trying Oxford for a term I would say that, unless:

a) you're a very gifted person who needs to be stretched in the oxbridge environment (includes nerds)
b) oxbridge is where you desperately want to go for family / prestige reasons (includes hooray henrys)
c) dedicated finance wannabes who want a golden cv (mostly careerists)
d) or even if you're just up for the challenge (all mentalists)

then seriously think about going somewhere else. You can have more time for fun, less work, a more realistic bunch of people, and achieve the same.

That is said with both retrospect and respect to everyone there and applying. I am not categorising people. But I'd say everyone at oxbridge fits into one of those.

Ooooow. I think you might be right there and I think sadly I'm probably D...
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Greatleysteg
I meant every year just didn't type it. Either way, I was only correcting him in thinking there were 'hundreds' of students.

If you're going to go to the effort of getting statistics partly right, you might as well go the whole way and get them completely right. It would save us all a lot of bother, and alsoo give you a bit of credit. If your laziness spreads misinformation, I'll be after you to put an end to it. :p:
This is one of the most painful threads ever seen. :frown:
I was under the impression that Chavs were idiots I certainly generalise them as such. Quite lame to give Greatlysteg neg. reps. all he said was the truth.
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epitome
If you're going to go to the effort of getting statistics partly right, you might as well go the whole way and get them completely right. It would save us all a lot of bother, and alsoo give you a bit of credit. If your laziness spreads misinformation, I'll be after you to put an end to it. :p:


Precisely. The best statistics are the ones that are true. Such as the fact that 100% of Land Economists are slackers and/or sportsmen. :p:
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