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M482 - Iraq war Motion, The PoliticalGuy

This House recognises that:

(1) the the UK's military intervention in Iraq was necessary to preserve world peace and to save the people of Iraq from their brutal oppressor, Saddam Hussein

(2) the Iraq inquiry was indeed a false and incredibly biased report in an attempt to undermine the greatness of Tony Blair

(3) the claims that the Iraq war was for the purpose of obtaining oil are false and those who make such allegations are conspiracy thoerists

(4) Tony Blair was the best Prime minister the UK has ever had

This house also urges the government to build a statue of Tony Blair outside the Palace of Westminster in acknowledgement of the greatness he has achieved for our country.
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absolutely bloody not
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I mean, 1,2, and 4 are all false
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Nay. This motion is extremely silly. World peace was not significantly threatened by Iraq, we had no right to invade a foreign country and proceed to mess it up in the way we did (i.e., totally mismanage the post-Saddam transition, ultimately paving the way for the rise of Da'esh); and Tony Blair is objectively not the best prime minister we have ever had. While he was certainly not the worst and by all accounts, illegal war aside, did a reasonably okay job, he did not make the social or constitutional progress he should have done (we should have had both gay marriage and an elected House of Lords by the end of his premiership imo), and he failed almost completely to move Britain to a fairer economic system.
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No. Completely and utterly nay.
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The Iraq war was necessary and justified to protect the Iraqi people from their brutal oppressor, Saddam Hussein. Tony Blair is the greatest PM.

THIS IS THE EASIEST AYE EVER!!!
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No. The Iraq war was a terrible mistake. We should not be helping the US cause trouble in the Middle East and destabilise it.
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(Original post by Aph)
absolutely bloody not
(Original post by JellyMilk)
No. Completely and utterly nay.
Why? Because you are against protecting the world from evil.

(Original post by Jammy Duel)
I mean, 1,2, and 4 are all false
They are not at all false. 4 you could argue but the other two points are blatant fact.

(Original post by Dafios9128)
No. The Iraq war was a terrible mistake. We should not be helping the US cause trouble in the Middle East and destabilise it.
How was it a mistake? It was an accomplished mission that allowed the Iraqi people to be liberated and to participate in a democracy.
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Nay. This motion is extremely silly. World peace was not significantly threatened by Iraq, we had no right to invade a foreign country and proceed to mess it up in the way we did (i.e., totally mismanage the post-Saddam transition, ultimately paving the way for the rise of Da'esh); and Tony Blair is objectively not the best prime minister we have ever had. While he was certainly not the worst and by all accounts, illegal war aside, did a reasonably okay job, he did not make the social or constitutional progress he should have done (we should have had both gay marriage and an elected House of Lords by the end of his premiership imo), and he failed almost completely to move Britain to a fairer economic system.
So when innocent people are being slaughtered by their own leader and the people are crying for our help, we should ignore them because "we had no right to". Iraq has been liberated and now the people are free. You can argue however much you like about Tony Blair not being the best prime minster , I can't force you to believe something that you clearly disagree with but you can't deny his achievements while in office. He almost completely abolished the in-work poverty and provided a sustainable and coherent platform for small businesses to grow, allowing our economy to proper.

I will let you decide on this motion.
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Sections 1.) and 3.) get my support; 2.) and 4.) and the addendum do not.

Abstain.
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(Original post by Connor27)
Sections 1.) and 3.) get my support; 2.) and 4.) and the addendum do not.

Abstain.
1 is true? da*** are you on?
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1 is true? da*** are you on?
Saddam did gas Kurdish kids with chemical weapons, which is, you know, banned by international law and was ****ing ratified by Saddam’s own government in the 90s.

Under the context of the UN’s R2P initiative, I would argue that is just cause for the war on humanitarian grounds regardless of the dodgy dossier.
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Everything has bias. Everything. To call an inquiry false is a matter of opinion. That leaves 2 redundant.

4 is not something requiring legislature. It is an empty statement of opinion.

The last sentence is a separate issue.

Remove those bits and you have a credible motion, a debate on which might prove interesting.

Otherwise, no.
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Saddam did gas Kurdish kids with chemical weapons, which is, you know, banned by international law and was ****ing ratified by Saddam’s own government in the 90s.

Under the context of the UN’s R2P initiative, I would argue that is just cause for the war on humanitarian grounds regardless of the dodgy dossier.
However on the humanitarian basis we recolonise Africa and the first half of the statement is totally false as it has cause harm to world peace in a big way
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I'm not sure whether this is meant seriously, but much like the 'war crimes' stuff it stops us having a proper discussion of the achievements and the shortcomings of the Iraq War.
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Lmao what a motion
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Lol, No.

If this is supposed to be a joke then I must say it is an incredibly **** one.
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No, I think ThePoliticalGuy just likes Blair
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(Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
Nay. This motion is extremely silly. World peace was not significantly threatened by Iraq, we had no right to invade a foreign country and proceed to mess it up in the way we did (i.e., totally mismanage the post-Saddam transition, ultimately paving the way for the rise of Da'esh); and Tony Blair is objectively not the best prime minister we have ever had. While he was certainly not the worst and by all accounts, illegal war aside, did a reasonably okay job, he did not make the social or constitutional progress he should have done (we should have had both gay marriage and an elected House of Lords by the end of his premiership imo), and he failed almost completely to move Britain to a fairer economic system.
May, for all the reasons outlined by my honourable friend.
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Lol no :lol:
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