Brexit is an idiotic mistake - calendar week 13 summary - THE FINAL ONE

You've spent an entire year making these threads that hardly anyone takes seriously? How very noble of you! *sarcastic clapping*

Things like Asean show that you can have free trade without free movement. The EU is only ever going to be a Union of European Socialist Republics, OP cannot deny that

Doesn't matter which side you are on, the people decided and the establishment is overriding the decision, .

Not really. Half voted to leave the EU. It is only now that those voters are realising that that concept does not involve flicking a single switch. And is it undemocratic that the other 50% want a say in how we leave?

Yes really. The establishment prevented it from being a swift transfer, parliament has shown once again it does not represent the wishes of the British people.

The establishment did nothing of the sort. What you don't seem to realise is that leaving the EU is more akin to cutting through several million assorted cables, many of whose purpose is largely unknown but generally exceedingly important. It isn't as you would have us believe a simple task of shutting a door and job done.

Either way - a democracy is not about passing a majority and ignoring everyone else. If we were to turn our backs on Europe tomorrow, the country would genuinely grind to a halt. You may call me melo-dramatic, but I don't think you fully grasp just how tightly integrated we are with Europe. It take about 12 hours to get a 20 mile tailback of lorries during a Dover ferry strike. Snapping your fingers at Europe would make that look like small fry.

You may call me melo-dramatic, but I don't think you fully grasp just how tightly integrated we are with Europe. It take about 12 hours to get a 20 mile tailback of lorries during a Dover ferry strike. Snapping your fingers at Europe would make that look like small fry.

In which company? In which country?

That's debateable since democracy has many varieties, however democracy is generally considered to be majority rule by definition and there is no requirement to respect the wishes of the minority.

Reasons why I lost respect for Germans...

Dumb reason, there’s plenty of brits like this and not all Germans are like it either

but he's the only German I've seen before, and trust me, first time interactions matter.

So go on then - if it is that simple, could you please explain how this will affect people who export apples to Europe? Or could you please explain how companies that have trademarks registered across Europe will continue to see their intellectual property protected? Could you also explain how the Irish border will work? And what about the regulations for holiday makers going to / from destinations in Europe, but also outside Europe but who have a connecting flight in the UK or Europe? I mean - it is simple right. And I have only mentioned the tip of the iceberg.

What you don't seem to understand is that all that just because you don't use all that hellish bureaucratic red tape Euro sceptics seem to hate, doesn't mean it isn't used to govern how all aspects of the way in which our society works. It all serves a purpose. It is all working for us all. And if you suddenly remove that, the very fabric of one of our fundamental British values, namely the rule of law, comes crashing down around our feet. That is what you don't get. It isn't about cherry picking - it is all needed. If it wasn't required, it wouldn't have been created.

The crisis of your tyranny is not my problem.

Agreed. But it will be your problem if we end up in a hard Brexit scenario. If an engine loses all its oil, eventually something goes bang and the result is pretty dramatic and generally in a bad way.