Corbyn demands Commons VOTE on Syrian action
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Anyway, if the US decided to strike tomorrow and we felt like turning up... we couldn't have a vote on anything, could we? At moments like these. the Opposition leader is there to liaise with the PM and be serious about the world. Destructive opposition is not as good as the constructive type, this is serious stuff.
Original post by Stalin
Russia was invited by the Syrian government, the United States was not.
That's irrelevant, because his opposition is not usually based on whether a country was invited or not, but on civilian casualties and human rights issues.
The US and allies were invited into Iraq and the usual anti war suspects didn't care, they still opposed us getting involved on grounds of concern for civilian casualties. And I seem to remember Corbyn himself was among those people.
Original post by RF_PineMarten
That's irrelevant, because his opposition is not usually based on whether a country was invited or not, but on civilian casualties and human rights issues.
There have been plenty of casualties and human rights issues in China and Saudi Arabia, and yet the West not only completely ignores them, but bends over backwards to do business with both countries.
What is happening in Syria has absolutely nothing do with 'civilian casualties and human rights issues.'
The US and allies were invited into Iraq and the usual anti war suspects didn't care, they still opposed us getting involved on grounds of concern for civilian casualties. And I seem to remember Corbyn himself was among those people.
I could not care less what 'the usual anti-war suspects' and/or Corbyn have to say for themselves regarding Iraq.
If the Iraqi government invited the West in order to support its efforts against ISIS there is absolutely no issue. The issue is when the West decides to invite itself and turn countries upside down for 'democracy and human rights.'
Original post by icequeenTM
While we have Theresa Mayhem working as the US’ puppet, we also thankfully have a rational human being acting on the simple fact that is the state Libya and Iraq are in today.
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-demands-commons-vote-on-syria-airstrikes-11326596
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-demands-commons-vote-on-syria-airstrikes-11326596
The rational human, being Sir Vince Cable, not Corbyn,or May for that matter of fact.
(edited 6 years ago)
Who is to blame?
US, Britain, France heck just call them the West have a history of regime change
Israel is also heavily involved as they've been bombing many targets in Syria
The West support what they claim to be moderate rebels, who they have officially admitted that they can't keep track of and some join ISIS, to overthrow Assad's pro-Iran and Russian government.
Many years ago wasn't there an official investigation into a Sarin attack and they could not pin it on Assad's forces? if I remember correctly the person leading the investigation even hinted that was likely done by others...
Since Assad's forces with help of the likes of Russia, have retaken much land back they've had to use this chemical weapons attack to justify attacking Syria and ending Assad taking back control.
Come on the fact the West wants to attack without finding out who is really behind it says it all.
US, Britain, France heck just call them the West have a history of regime change
Israel is also heavily involved as they've been bombing many targets in Syria
The West support what they claim to be moderate rebels, who they have officially admitted that they can't keep track of and some join ISIS, to overthrow Assad's pro-Iran and Russian government.
Many years ago wasn't there an official investigation into a Sarin attack and they could not pin it on Assad's forces? if I remember correctly the person leading the investigation even hinted that was likely done by others...
Since Assad's forces with help of the likes of Russia, have retaken much land back they've had to use this chemical weapons attack to justify attacking Syria and ending Assad taking back control.
Come on the fact the West wants to attack without finding out who is really behind it says it all.
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If we hold Jeremy Corbyn to his own standards then he's now joined the side of Russia & Assad...
(a picture of one of Corbyn's Tweets was meant to appear in this post but apparently the new TSR website doesn't allow me to post images)
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(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Tempest II
If we hold Jeremy Corbyn to his own standards then he's now joined the side of Russia & Assad...
More anti-Corbyn ********. He has already said he supports taking appropriate action via sanctions and the UN, just not necessarily via military action. This makes him "neutral"? Gtfo with your anti-Corbyn agenda.
Original post by Palmyra
More anti-Corbyn ********. He has already said he supports taking appropriate action via sanctions and the UN, just not necessarily via military action. This makes him "neutral"? Gtfo with your anti-Corbyn agenda.
You sound rather upset old chap.
Original post by Palmyra
More anti-Corbyn ********. He has already said he supports taking appropriate action via sanctions and the UN, just not necessarily via military action. This makes him "neutral"? Gtfo with your anti-Corbyn agenda.
UN sanctions are hardly likely with Russia's veto, are they.
Having said that dropping bombs does not seem to have much of an end game joined with it, it is merely a punishment beating to make us feel better we are doing something.
Much stronger sanctions are likely the sole weapon with any possible better outcome but they are not without real risks : say calling back to UK, EU, USA , etc all investments in Russia and Iran and all citizens from Russia and Iran, coupled with severing all trade and deporting all nationals would be exceptionally strong as sanctions go but runs major risk of escalating tensions even further.
Frankly there is no easy answer nor has there ever been.
Original post by the bear
are you posting from St Petersburg ?
One of a number on TSR who clearly emanate from the troll factory. I suppose we should be flattered that we are on their radar.
Still waiting for the much-promised 'firm action' against the Russians for dumping nerve gas in one of our county towns. Meanwhile, in Chelsea/Belgravia, Putin's oligarchs continue to live it up in their luxury properties, untroubled by even so minor an inconvenience as a proper tax assessment, or a demand to know the source of their incomes.
Original post by Tempest II
If we hold Jeremy Corbyn to his own standards then he's now joined the side of Russia & Assad...
There's long been a sneaky support for the Baathists of Iraq and Syria from parts of the British hard left. That's really why the leaders of Stop the War got so worked up about Saddam. Very deep confusion, given that the supposed socialist Iraq and Syria were closer to Nazi Germany than any other political model.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
There's long been a sneaky support for the Baathists of Iraq and Syria from parts of the British hard left.
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No appetite for involvement. If she wants a war, she can go fight it herself. Even if MPs were to vote in favour of it, I'd be firmly opposed.
Original post by Palmyra
[video="youtube;r42oejmpkgw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw[/video]
I think you forgot Mrs Thatcher and the French.
Anyway, just because the hard left admired the Baathist dictatorship on dodgy ideological grounds in no way ruled out the use of those dictatorships by the great powers as part of their great power oil-grabbing games.
Original post by icequeenTM
While we have Theresa Mayhem working as the US’ puppet, we also thankfully have a rational human being acting on the simple fact that is the state Libya and Iraq are in today.
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-demands-commons-vote-on-syria-airstrikes-11326596
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-demands-commons-vote-on-syria-airstrikes-11326596
It makes no sense for Assad to have used chemical weapons and on every previous occasion it’s been alleged there hasn’t been proof.
This will be the stupidest war since 1914 if it turns out to be on
Original post by paul514
It makes no sense for Assad to have used chemical weapons and on every previous occasion it’s been alleged there hasn’t been proof.
This will be the stupidest war since 1914 if it turns out to be on
This will be the stupidest war since 1914 if it turns out to be on
Indeed.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
There's long been a sneaky support for the Baathists of Iraq and Syria from parts of the British hard left. That's really why the leaders of Stop the War got so worked up about Saddam. Very deep confusion, given that the supposed socialist Iraq and Syria were closer to Nazi Germany than any other political model.
Typical meme leftist. Always throwing around your phony baloney moral outrage until it's time to drop some exploding freedom on the darkies.
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