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btw I eat meat

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grass tastes like **** mate
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because your body does not produce first-class proteins, we can only get these types of proteins from foods such as meats.
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the vegetation argument is simple, and easy to reduce to its core question:

'Are humans and other animals equal in value'

Answer yes - and you should be a vegetarian, as logically if the answer is yes, that all animals including humans are equal then there is no possible logical way to justify eating meat.

This is also why vegetarians are very annoying to argue against, because many can't reduce it down to the core question, so they are seeing all of the small strands of the debate, and in their mind they are so so logical, and they can't understand how the other person can't see their logic. What they are missing is the understanding of the fundamental difference.

Answer no - No need to stop eating meat. All of the vegetation justifications fall away.. none of their arguments (bar some environmental ones) make a single bit of difference if a person views humans as being intrinsically separate and of different worth than other animals.

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so the real debate, the one that matters should be structured around this core question, and phrased to each side as such:

"Justify logically, why humans are or are not of equal worth/value to other species of animals"

Then you can get onto the serious conversations that can change peoples mind.

The arguments you'l hear will be things like:

-Humans are animals, and no animal is above others
-All animals exist in a hierarchy, and no two animals are equal
-Humans have unique mental capabilities that separates them
-Do you believe in a form of religious sanctity of life?
-Would you eat a disabled person, as they are 'lesser' then able people?

etc. etc.

It gets to the core, and then you can find out why the other persons fundamental beliefs cause them to form a different view on this then you.
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It's natural to eat meat, we always have been eating it since like stone age times.

Also, some people have specific diet requirements and therefore physically can't give up meat
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you eat manmeat
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
the vegetation argument is simple, and easy to reduce to its core question:

'Are humans and other animals equal in value'

Answer yes - and you should be a vegetarian, as logically if the answer is yes, that all animals including humans are equal then there is no possible logical way to justify eating meat.

This is also why vegetarians are very annoying to argue against, because many can't reduce it down to the core question, so they are seeing all of the small strands of the debate, and in their mind they are so so logical, and they can't understand how the other person can't see their logic. What they are missing is the understanding of the fundamental difference.

Answer no - No need to stop eating meat. All of the vegetation justifications fall away.. none of their arguments (bar some environmental ones) make a single bit of difference if a person views humans as being intrinsically separate and of different worth than other animals.

--

so the real debate, the one that matters should be structured around this core question, and phrased to each side as such:

"Justify logically, why humans are or are not of equal worth/value to other species of animals"

Then you can get onto the serious conversations that can change peoples mind.

The arguments you'l hear will be things like:

-Humans are animals, and no animal is above others
-All animals exist in a hierarchy, and no two animals are equal
-Humans have unique mental capabilities that separates them
-Do you believe in a form of religious sanctity of life?
-Would you eat a disabled person, as they are 'lesser' then able people?

etc. etc.

It gets to the core, and then you can find out why the other persons fundamental beliefs cause them to form a different view on this then you.
This is the only reply required to this thread. End of story.
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
the vegetation argument is simple, and easy to reduce to its core question:

'Are humans and other animals equal in value'

Answer yes - and you should be a vegetarian, as logically if the answer is yes, that all animals including humans are equal then there is no possible logical way to justify eating meat.

This is also why vegetarians are very annoying to argue against, because many can't reduce it down to the core question, so they are seeing all of the small strands of the debate, and in their mind they are so so logical, and they can't understand how the other person can't see their logic. What they are missing is the understanding of the fundamental difference.

Answer no - No need to stop eating meat. All of the vegetation justifications fall away.. none of their arguments (bar some environmental ones) make a single bit of difference if a person views humans as being intrinsically separate and of different worth than other animals.

--

so the real debate, the one that matters should be structured around this core question, and phrased to each side as such:

"Justify logically, why humans are or are not of equal worth/value to other species of animals"

Then you can get onto the serious conversations that can change peoples mind.

The arguments you'l hear will be things like:

-Humans are animals, and no animal is above others
-All animals exist in a hierarchy, and no two animals are equal
-Humans have unique mental capabilities that separates them
-Do you believe in a form of religious sanctity of life?
-Would you eat a disabled person, as they are 'lesser' then able people?

etc. etc.

It gets to the core, and then you can find out why the other persons fundamental beliefs cause them to form a different view on this then you.
Good post. For the sake of the thread I'm just assuming the answer to that question is yes but I understand your post.
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Humans eat meat. What other reason do we have incisor teeth that allow us to tear meat into little pieces so we can digest it better? Our gut is evolved to digest both meat and veggies. Our skin, blood, organs, brain, in fact our whole body uses the meat derived energy and nutrients.

The modern vegetarian diet is unhealthy and many vegetarians/vegans are unhealthy, either very fat or very thin, with various deficiencies (e.g. iron) that require supplementation to correct.
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Are you saying bacon is not a valid reason?
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(Original post by ThePricklyOne)
Humans eat meat. What other reason do we have incisor teeth that allow us to tear meat into little pieces so we can digest it better? Our gut is evolved to digest both meat and veggies. Our skin, blood, organs, brain, in fact our whole body uses the meat derived energy and nutrients.

The modern vegetarian diet is unhealthy and many vegetarians/vegans are unhealthy, either very fat or very thin, with various deficiencies (e.g. iron) that require supplementation to correct.
Idk man. There are vegan bodybuilders. It seems like we can function fine without meat, as long as you have supplements (including iron), multivitamins etc.
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(Original post by jesswalton888)
because your body does not produce first-class proteins, we can only get these types of proteins from foods such as meats.
dont think so
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(Original post by ThePricklyOne)
Humans eat meat. What other reason do we have incisor teeth that allow us to tear meat into little pieces so we can digest it better? Our gut is evolved to digest both meat and veggies. Our skin, blood, organs, brain, in fact our whole body uses the meat derived energy and nutrients.
Humans don't need to eat meat so why put animals through all that suffering? Also if you eat meat how the hell do you think you can complain about people eating cat and dog? All animals feel suffering so to take the moral high ground when it comes to the suffering of some animals when you cause equal suffering to others is just hypocritical and pathetic.

The modern vegetarian diet is unhealthy and many vegetarians/vegans are unhealthy, either very fat or very thin, with various deficiencies (e.g. iron) that require supplementation to correct.
What a load of bs. Could you not think of any proper argument against vegetarians/veganism so you decided just to make one up?
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Being able to enjoy meat is a very valid reason to not be a vegetarian.
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Idk man. There are vegan bodybuilders. It seems like we can function fine without meat, as long as you have supplements (including iron), multivitamins etc.
If vegans require supplementation to make up for the shortfall in their diet, then vegan diet is not a healthy diet to follow. A healthy diet should provide all the nutrients that the body needs.

Not sure about Vegan bodybuilders, but I think they take a lot of supplements and performance enhancing stuff to get ripped.
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Straight girls can’t live without eating meat if you know what I mean:sexface:
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food chain
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(Original post by ThePricklyOne)
If vegans require supplementation to make up for the shortfall in their diet, then vegan diet is not a healthy diet to follow. A healthy diet should provide all the nutrients that the body needs.

Not sure about Vegan bodybuilders, but I think they take a lot of supplements and performance enhancing stuff to get ripped.
Vegans don't require supplementiation. Something else you just made up to suit your argument.
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(Original post by supernovasmells)
Humans don't need to eat meat so why put animals through all that suffering? Also if you eat meat how the hell do you think you can complain about people eating cat and dog? All animals feel suffering so to take the moral high ground when it comes to the suffering of some animals when you cause equal suffering to others is just hypocritical and pathetic.

What a load of bs. Could you not think of any proper argument against vegetarians/veganism so you decided just to make one up?
I don't change my mind when you use baseless opinions along with insults.

TRY AGAIN.
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(Original post by supernovasmells)
vegans don't require supplementiation. Something else you just made up to suit your argument.
prove it.
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