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M3: vertical circles

in c: why in the mark scheme are they working out the horizontal velocity when working out the max height?
Original post by Maths&physics
in c: why in the mark scheme are they working out the horizontal velocity when working out the max height?


Are you sure they have?

Which year is the question from?
Original post by tiny hobbit
Are you sure they have?

Which year is the question from?


yes.
Original post by Maths&physics
yes.


I see. I didn't do it like that!

The horizontal component of the velocity doesn't change, so the speed at the top of the motion is just the horizontal component.

They've then used conservation of energy from B to the top to find h.

Personally i found sin(180- theta) and used that to find the vertical component at B. Then suvat to find h.
Original post by tiny hobbit
I see. I didn't do it like that!

The horizontal component of the velocity doesn't change, so the speed at the top of the motion is just the horizontal component.

They've then used conservation of energy from B to the top to find h.

Personally i found sin(180- theta) and used that to find the vertical component at B. Then suvat to find h.


I would do it the same (vertical velocity) but why 180 - theta?
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Maths&physics
I would do it the same (vertical velocity) but why 180 - theta?


At B cos theta is negative, so theta is obtuse. It is easier to work with an acute angle, hence 180 - theta.
Original post by tiny hobbit
At B cos theta is negative, so theta is obtuse. It is easier to work with an acute angle, hence 180 - theta.


I'll draw up a diagram and get back to you in about 10 minutes
Original post by Maths&physics
I'll draw up a diagram and get back to you in about 10 minutes


The Jan 2012 mark scheme does also offer my method and a third one.
Original post by tiny hobbit
I see. I didn't do it like that!

The horizontal component of the velocity doesn't change, so the speed at the top of the motion is just the horizontal component.

They've then used conservation of energy from B to the top to find h.

Personally i found sin(180- theta) and used that to find the vertical component at B. Then suvat to find h.


what does sin(180- theta) equal?
Original post by tiny hobbit
The Jan 2012 mark scheme does also offer my method and a third one.


im such an idiot, I worked it out: I just did u.cos(sin1(1/4))u.cos(sin^1(-1/4)) instead, for the initial vertical velocity.

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