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Kim Jong Un - Where's his bad boi attitude gone?

Why has Kim Jong Un (Leader of the DPRK) suddenly had a change of heart in the past couple of weeks/months. Over the previous couple years since taking over from his father, he's threatened nuclear attacks, ignored UN restrictions on nuclear tests and apparently fed his uncle to wild dogs and/or shot another family member with AA guns.

Why has he suddenly wanted to open up talks with the Republic of Korea and the US, potentially ending the ceasefire from the Korean War and has now said nuclear testing is no longer necessary in the DPRK?

Do y'all think it's a ploy to try and get some of the UN backed sanctions repealed or has Kim finally had a change of heart and left his 'rocket man' persona behind?

I'm a tad confused by the sudden shift...
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In one word? Trump. :biggrin:
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Original post by zhog
In one word? Trump. :biggrin:


Was discussing with my friend earlier, do you agree that Trump is calling him out on his threats and Kim is now having to backtrack.

I was thinking maybe there's some slight unrest with the DPRK. Apparently some high ranking defectors have been saying there's been a steady increase in low-level rebellion.
It's not Trump lol. He did nothing apart from escalate tensions.

North Korea's been hit hard by sanctions. It's constrained their economy and they know for certain that they cant do much with one ICBM.

An example would be their recent use of crypto to bypass sanctions, alongside them robbing the bangladeshi central bank and running the money through casinos in the Phillipines. That's the equivalent of a homeless man rummaging the bins for something useful.

Its very similar to Iran, a win win situation will arise if they actually comply. Access to the international financial markets and possible trade is ideal, alongside with ditching a wasteful nuclear programme.

NK was never a threat, the media just hyped it up.
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Original post by higgs334

a win win situation will arise if they actually comply. Access to the international financial markets and possible trade is ideal, alongside with ditching a wasteful nuclear programme.

NK was never a threat, the media just hyped it up.


Do you not think by following the "evil" western world, he'll be putting his own grasp of power at risk? I could be wrong but didn't he also mention about moving forward with unification.

If unification happens, China won't be happy with having US troops stated at the Korea-China border so they'd lose their only direct economic ally. Also if unification happens, the DPRK is good as gone and without a state, you can't have a head of state, Kim will be down the jobcentre.
Original post by CTLeafez
Do you not think by following the "evil" western world, he'll be putting his own grasp of power at risk? I could be wrong but didn't he also mention about moving forward with unification.

If unification happens, China won't be happy with having US troops stated at the Korea-China border so they'd lose their only direct economic ally. Also if unification happens, the DPRK is good as gone and without a state, you can't have a head of state, Kim will be down the jobcentre.


I think the main fear Kim had was that NK would be overthrown and subject to regime change as has been the case in Libya, Iraq etc etc. He runs a totalitarian state so his power isnt at risk, so long as he keeps NK isolated he should be okay.

It's really difficult to tell what will happen. NK is a secretive state that's really blindsided us with their sudden unprecedented eagerness to co-operate. Given how self serving he is, hes not interested in unification. This is about NK looking at the Iran deal and seeing that America will remove sanctions if it gives up a pointless nuclear programme.
it's because he knows that in no scenario is he gonna win.
it's the same case as when your in an argument with your friend...you be gone so deep into your argument for hours but then you realize your wrong, then to come out with a bit of dignity you calmly like a ninja start agreeing with some points calmly but surely being like (but thats what im was saying tough!) to get out with as much dignity as possible.



tl:dr; trump.
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Original post by CTLeafez
Why has Kim Jong Un (Leader of the DPRK) suddenly had a change of heart in the past couple of weeks/months. Over the previous couple years since taking over from his father, he's threatened nuclear attacks, ignored UN restrictions on nuclear tests and apparently fed his uncle to wild dogs and/or shot another family member with AA guns.

Why has he suddenly wanted to open up talks with the Republic of Korea and the US, potentially ending the ceasefire from the Korean War and has now said nuclear testing is no longer necessary in the DPRK?

Do y'all think it's a ploy to try and get some of the UN backed sanctions repealed or has Kim finally had a change of heart and left his 'rocket man' persona behind?

I'm a tad confused by the sudden shift...


what do you mean trump.jpg
What trump did to syria scared him? xD
Original post by CTLeafez


I was thinking maybe there's some slight unrest with the DPRK. Apparently some high ranking defectors have been saying there's been a steady increase in low-level rebellion.


Trumpophobes will resist the idea to death but it is hard not to credit Trump with something, his administration have been turning the screw on the Chinese and their backing of NK like no other. As for Twitter-sphere, Kim found his match.

Give Trump the Nobel Peace prize, Obama got one too and for what? For being black, that's why.
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Original post by zhog
Trumpophobes will resist the idea to death but it is hard not to credit Trump with something, his administration have been turning the screw on the Chinese and their backing of NK like no other. As for Twitter-sphere, Kim found his match.

Give Trump the Nobel Peace prize, Obama got one too and for what? For being black, that's why.


The A<Americans have been turning the screws for years, nothing happened.

He took a train journey to China and a couple of weeks later he is declaring an end to the Korean War.

Far more likely the Chinese had something to do with it than the Americans.
I don't buy that its because of trump.. I also don't buy that its just a ploy.

My feeling is that the most simple explanation is probably true. I expect that he and his goverment are in increasingly deep **** with their economy and resources, and since China started to take a harder stance on them, they have just been going downhill fast. The simplist explanation is that they know they can't hold out that much longer like this, so they are going for a peaceful situation that keeps them in power, but frees up trade and economic ties a bit, so that they can survive as a nation.

China will never let them fall - they are to important to China, so unification is not an option. They will make some steps in the right dirrection, sanctions will be lifted, and then they will keep going as before, just treading a finer line.
little rocket man = school bully

the donald = new headmaster
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He has realised (thanks to Trump) that America isn't run by pussies anymore. Trump speaks Kim's language (so to speak), and Kim took him seriously. Of course Trump could cure cancer and the haters still wouldn't give him credit.
It has nothing do with Trump or UN sanctions. North Korea is trying to be recognized as a great power by showing off to the world, but they know themselves that they have never been on the same level an will never be on the same level as the US, China, Russia and the other world powers. North Korea has never been a threat and Kim Jong Un knows himself that nuclear war is a good path to go down. Plus China is becoming more and more impatient with North Korea, China is on the verge of becoming the worlds number one power and North Korea is firing nukes over Japan. The point is North Korea are pushing their closest ally further way every time they pull of some ********, so when China and the US have talks over NK, you bet Kim is ******** bricks.
Original post by zhog
Trumpophobes will resist the idea to death but it is hard not to credit Trump with something, his administration have been turning the screw on the Chinese and their backing of NK like no other. As for Twitter-sphere, Kim found his match.

Give Trump the Nobel Peace prize, Obama got one too and for what? For being black, that's why.


Trump is handling it better than Obama, but Trump still isn't the one fixing the problem. China as the closest ally to the DPRK has had the most effect, because DPRK is becoming more of a liability to them everyday. China can't put up with their **** anymore.

Trump likes to think it's him because he's a narcissist, but American politics bore me anyway so I don't actually give a **** about what Trump says or does.
Original post by mojojojo101


Far more likely the Chinese had something to do with it than the Americans.


Agree with this, but an underlying question is what the US and China agreed at their meetings a few months ago - clearly China has had enough of Kim's nuclear posturing, but there would have to be a commitment from the US not to invade to permit China to really turn the screws on.

If the truth is though that the other powers are only now taking the DPRK seriously because it has deliverable nukes, then in fact Kim has won what he wanted - both to keep his barbarically cruel regime in office and to end the war with the south on his terms. If so, this is yet another sad example of the leading powers capitulating on nuclear proliferation and giving in to any regime that possesses them.

It's pretty nauseating seeing the S Korean leaders welcoming the North Koreans to fashionable events where they preen themselves, knowing full well that these people are running an empire of labour camps and despicable torture centres for their own people - and the citizens of neighbouring countries that they stole.
If the citizens of North Korea were so against his leadership they'd protest in their millions regardless pf death threats, police brutality but they seem content so let them be.
Original post by SMEGGGY
If the citizens of North Korea were so against his leadership they'd protest in their millions regardless pf death threats, police brutality but they seem content so let them be.


“If the Jewish citizens of Germany were so against his leadership they’d protest in their millions regardless of potential death threats, concentration camps & police brutality but they seem content so let them be.”
Original post by Shabalala
“If the Jewish citizens of Germany were so against his leadership they’d protest in their millions regardless of potential death threats, concentration camps & police brutality but they seem content so let them be.”

The Ukraines, Egyptians, Tunisians etc managed...

Yours is not comparable, Germany wasn't a Jewish state duh

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