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Would you vote for a new centrist party if one was to materialise (eg if dozens of MPs defected en masse from both parties ) ? If not now, would you do so if the Labour and conservative parties went back to more traditional socialist/ Conservative Policies

That looked something like this:

Leader: Anna Soubry
Chancellor: Chucka Umunna
Defence: Dan Jarvis
Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn
Business- Ben Bradshaw
Home Sec- Alison McGovern
Education- Liz Kendall
First Sec- Heidi Allen
Health- Luciana Berger
Communities- Justine Greening

Key Policies

Economics: Mansion Tax, additional taxes for the NHS and Housing

Immigration: reintroduce migration impact fund, remove foreign students from immigration figures

Foreign Policy: Strong Support for NATO and Trident,


Other Policies:

A referendum on the outcome of Brexit negotiations, Fully Democratic HoL, A more liberal drugs policy, Lower the Voting Age and Stricter Laws on Online Hate Crime



Whilst I wouldn’t vote for it I would strongly suppprt the creators on if such a party so that the traditional parties 🎊could return to their less liberal roots.
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HighOnGoofballs
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Strong Support for NATO and Trident
Agree

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additional taxes for the NHS and Housing
Strongly Disagree

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Mansion Tax
Depends on how high.

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A referendum on the outcome of Brexit negotiations
Agreed

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Fully Democratic HoL
Disagree

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A more liberal drugs policy
Strongly Agree

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Lower the Voting Age
Unsure. Good arguments on both sides.

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Stricter Laws on Online Hate Crime
This alone would be enough for me to NOT vote for such a party.
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Would you vote for a new centrist party if one was to materialise (eg if dozens of MPs defected en masse from both parties ) ? If not now, would you do so if the Labour and conservative parties went back to more traditional socialist/ Conservative Policies

That looked something like this:

Leader: Anna Soubry
Chancellor: Chucka Umunna
Defence: Dan Jarvis
Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn
Business- Ben Bradshaw
Home Sec- Alison McGovern
Education- Liz Kendall
First Sec- Heidi Allen
Health- Luciana Berger
Communities- Justine Greening

Key Policies

Economics: Mansion Tax, additional taxes for the NHS and Housing

Immigration: reintroduce migration impact fund, remove foreign students from immigration figures

Foreign Policy: Strong Support for NATO and Trident,


Other Policies:

A referendum on the outcome of Brexit negotiations, Fully Democratic HoL, A more liberal drugs policy, Lower the Voting Age and Stricter Laws on Online Hate Crime



Whilst I wouldn’t vote for it I would strongly suppprt the creators on if such a party so that the traditional parties 🎊could return to their less liberal roots.
Most people vote either how they have always done or on policy.

Centrist doesn’t mean anything.

So for instance if you are cracking down on migration, not trying to interfere with leaving the eu and promising to build a crap ton of houses with a plausible plan I’ll vote for you.
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Centrist doesn’t mean anything.

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Quote but that’s how it would be labelled along with other epithets such as Moderate.

I suppose a Social Democratic, socially liberal would be more accurate descriptions
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Most likely, yes.
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No, I wouldn't. Centrist politics is boring, among other things.
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Quote but that’s how it would be labelled along with other epithets such as Moderate.

I suppose a Social Democratic, socially liberal would be more accurate descriptions
The media can label what they like the average person doesn’t.

They are either tribal or vote on policy
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Hmm... no. The fact that you’d consider Greening for it baffles me...
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Hmm... no. The fact that you’d consider Greening for it baffles me...
She’s a very left wing pro eu Tory...
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She’s a very left wing pro eu Tory...
Yeah, I feel like she’s struggle to fit into a centrist party, never mind the Tory party tbh...
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Most people vote either how they have always done or on policy.

Centrist doesn’t mean anything.

So for instance if you are cracking down on migration, not trying to interfere with leaving the eu and promising to build a crap ton of houses with a plausible plan I’ll vote for you.
Agreed. Peter Kellner wrote a good article about how 'centrist' is a subjective term. Some people consider that centrism means pro remain, socially liberal and internationalist. Others think centrism means pro Brexit, law and order and strong immigration controls.

Neither are inherently right or wrong.

People in general tend to think they are centrist, whatever their opinions are.
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We already had that party, it was called the Liberal Democrats. Can't see this ending any differently.
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Would you vote for a new centrist party if one was to materialise (eg if dozens of MPs defected en masse from both parties ) ? If not now, would you do so if the Labour and conservative parties went back to more traditional socialist/ Conservative Policies

That looked something like this:

Leader: Anna Soubry
Chancellor: Chucka Umunna
Defence: Dan Jarvis
Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn
Business- Ben Bradshaw
Home Sec- Alison McGovern
Education- Liz Kendall
First Sec- Heidi Allen
Health- Luciana Berger
Communities- Justine Greening

Key Policies

Economics: Mansion Tax, additional taxes for the NHS and Housing

Immigration: reintroduce migration impact fund, remove foreign students from immigration figures

Foreign Policy: Strong Support for NATO and Trident,


Other Policies:

A referendum on the outcome of Brexit negotiations, Fully Democratic HoL, A more liberal drugs policy, Lower the Voting Age and Stricter Laws on Online Hate Crime



Whilst I wouldn’t vote for it I would strongly suppprt the creators on if such a party so that the traditional parties 🎊could return to their less liberal roots.
I think that the problem with centrists in all parties is that they present themselves as compromises, rather than people of principle and that no longer inspires confidence.

That's why the likes of Trump, Sanders, Corbyn, Le Pen, Mogg etc have gained popularity. They won't hide their opinions or compromise.

When Blair came through he generally believed in third way type 'centrism' as an ideology in and of itself and defended it. He didn't portray it as a compromise to win elections like Labour moderates do.
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How is this party not the Liberal Democrats?
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How is this party not the Liberal Democrats?
Mainly that it would be electorally viable.
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I'll be honest, on current performance, although it looks like a win for the centre -i.e. there are loads of people on all sides who would love a Jarvis, Chukka or Cooper-led Labour Party (which could possibly win a landslide) the Centrist Party just smells like a Tory Win.

Firstly, it's obviously encroaching on Lib Dem ground. Second, it's relying on Labour moderates. Third, I can't see past these people becoming the immediate deadly sworn enemies of Momentum, who already hate Blairites more than Tories. In an actual head-to-head, they'd be the priimary target of all the hatred and ire. I think it would take enough votes to kill Labour and the Lib Dems, not get enough to do anything themselves, and deliver a Conservative government.

The hard left won't budge. It will be extremely difficult to move large numbers of the traditional Labour inherited votes. Even if they take a lot of Lib Dem and a small number of Tory votes, with only Labour moderates to make up the bulk, it's hard to see them taking seats themselves, but will put marginals firmly in Tory territory - especially Scotland.
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Mainly that it would be electorally viable.
Unlikely. With the first past the post system new parties need a critical mass of support - somewhere in the 35-40% range - to really get anywhere. I don't think what we're seeing is a critical mass of people rallying to centrism - rather, it's a great many people rejecting centrism, and a small minority who are deeply passionate about those beliefs going into denial and desperately trying anything to change things. The Lib Dems, the most centrist party we have, got even fewer votes last year than even straight after the coalition debacle, while UKIP got 13% in a General Election, the Greens were polling in double-figures before Bennett proved to be the worst politician in living memory, and Labour got 40% - their best result in years - with probably the most radical candidate for Prime Minister ever proposed by a major British Party. The most likely way a new centrist party would influence things is by taking somewhere between 5% and 25% of the vote, but disproportionately from one of the major parties, handing victory to the other.
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Umunna, Soubry and Hellary Binn.

Amongst my most loathed politicians, how about Stephen Kinnock too?
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Although i like the people involved for the most part, i would not abandon the Tories for what is in effect a new Liberal Party. Fundamentally i don't agree with a lot of the policies described and nor do i think they would unseat either Labour or the Conservative parties. Indeed i actually see the two parties squeezing the Liberal Democrats even harder at the next election and nor do i think there is a single issue important enough to have people rally behind a new party.

The best thing those centrists can do is join the Tories to crush Momentum.
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Although i like the people involved for the most part, i would not abandon the Tories for what is in effect a new Liberal Party. Fundamentally i don't agree with a lot of the policies described and nor do i think they would unseat either Labour or the Conservative parties. Indeed i actually see the two parties squeezing the Liberal Democrats even harder at the next election and nor do i think there is a single issue important enough to have people rally behind a new party.

The best thing those centrists can do is join the Tories to crush Momentum.
Momentum's first priority is to seize total and permanent control over the Labour Party. Getting into Government is second to that and they're happy to have it happen later. Centrist MPs defecting to the Tories only helps them in that.
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