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Momentum's first priority is to seize total and permanent control over the Labour Party. Getting into Government is second to that and they're happy to have it happen later. Centrist MPs defecting to the Tories only helps them in that.
If they can be kept out of power long enough then motivation will wane, one also imagines that the moderates will actually develop a coherent plan rather than their current flapping around like wet fish.
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I would vote for a new centrist party (I currently won't vote for either main party, because they're too far in their own particular direction)... but I wouldn't vote for the given example, because- as has been mentioned - it's a different view of 'centrist' to my own.
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Momentum's first priority is to seize total and permanent control over the Labour Party. Getting into Government is second to that and they're happy to have it happen later. Centrist MPs defecting to the Tories only helps them in that.
'seizing control' is unnecessarily cynical language to be honest. They are standing candidates in democratic elections and winning, because they have popular support in the party. It's not their fault Progress have become so useless and void if ideas.
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If they can be kept out of power long enough then motivation will wane, one also imagines that the moderates will actually develop a coherent plan rather than their current flapping around like wet fish.
If the moderates want power they are going to have to offer something which makes people want to join the party en masse to vote for one of their candidates. That means developing a policy platform. What do the moderates even stand for anymore, other than support for the EU?
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If the moderates want power they are going to have to offer something which makes people want to join the party en masse to vote for one of their candidates. That means developing a policy platform. What do the moderates even stand for anymore, other than support for the EU?
I believe they did have success getting people to join when they were going up against Corbyn in 2016 but whereas Momentum have carried on, the Moderates just gave up.
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What do the moderates even stand for anymore, other than support for the EU?
As social democrats they’re more reformist in outlook and see interventionist positions, NATO and Trident as well as the ‘international rules based order’ as vital in safeguarding Human Rights.

Whereas the hard left believes that these are institutions if neoliberal/ imperialist/ racist power and need to be disbanded/ challenged.

Both of whom think the other is enabling the far right also.
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As social democrats they’re more reformist in outlook and see interventionist positions, NATO and Trident as well as the ‘international rules based order’ as vital in safeguarding Human Rights.

Whereas the hard left believes that these are institutions if neoliberal/ imperialist/ racist power and need to be disbanded/ challenged.

Both of whom think the other is enabling the far right also.
More fundamental than that is the fact that social democrats believe that capitalism simply needs to be made fairer (likely through higher taxes and regulation) while neo-Marxists tend to believe that the system needs ripping up (i.e. radical change). As you have alluded to however we do also see constitutional and foreign policy differences shaped by their respective world views.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
More fundamental than that is the fact that social democrats believe that capitalism simply needs to be made fairer (likely through higher taxes and regulation) while neo-Marxists tend to believe that the system needs ripping up (i.e. radical change). As you have alluded to however we do also see constitutional and foreign policy differences shaped by their respective world views.
I agree but it does get somewhat hard to define
IE people like Paul Mason and Yaris Varoufakis tend to fall in both camps as they believe that liberal institutions need to be protected to safeguard (for lack of a better word) a more ‘progressive’ future, and that radical change isn’t co-opted by reactionaries...
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This sounds very lib dem tbh
(Original post by Davij038)
Stricter Laws on Online Hate Crime
y u do dis

(Original post by Davij038)
Mainly that it would be electorally viable.
Is it really electorally viable if it's basically the same but with different people? It just looks like a not-quite here nor there compromise party made up of randos.
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This sounds very lib dem tbh

y u do dis


Is it really electorally viable if it's basically the same but with different people? It just looks like a not-quite here nor there compromise party made up of randos.
As I said, I don’t support such a party.

No, there are people in both main parties who have more in common with each other than they do with the more right/ left wing elements in their own respective parties
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As I said, I don’t support such a party.

No, there are people in both main parties who have more in common with each other than they do with the more right/ left wing elements in their own respective parties
That'd arguably also be their own downfall as it seems to be made up of people the general public don't care about in the slightest. The only one I'd actually heard of on that list is Justine Greening
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I would vote for a new centrist party if I felt they represented current affairs and concerns effectively and had a clear plan of what they were going to do instead of the confusion and seemingly empty promises we seem to be given by our main parties at the moment.
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In a time where most parties stress unity to get through Brexir, I couldn't think of anything worse than creating a new party to even further split public votes and parliament.
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(Original post by Davij038)
Would you vote for a new centrist party if one was to materialise (eg if dozens of MPs defected en masse from both parties ) ? If not now, would you do so if the Labour and conservative parties went back to more traditional socialist/ Conservative Policies

That looked something like this:

Leader: Anna Soubry
Chancellor: Chucka Umunna
Defence: Dan Jarvis
Foreign Secretary: Hilary Benn
Business- Ben Bradshaw
Home Sec- Alison McGovern
Education- Liz Kendall
First Sec- Heidi Allen
Health- Luciana Berger
Communities- Justine Greening

Key Policies

Economics: Mansion Tax, additional taxes for the NHS and Housing

Immigration: reintroduce migration impact fund, remove foreign students from immigration figures

Foreign Policy: Strong Support for NATO and Trident,


Other Policies:

A referendum on the outcome of Brexit negotiations, Fully Democratic HoL, A more liberal drugs policy, Lower the Voting Age and Stricter Laws on Online Hate Crime



Whilst I wouldn’t vote for it I would strongly suppprt the creators on if such a party so that the traditional parties 🎊could return to their less liberal roots.
So basically a party that offers just more of the same, boring, milquetoast, neoliberalism of the past few decades? **** that. I want more radical political parties in the mainstream that offer at least something of substance, something that's actually new and exciting, something that will upset the apple cart.
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So basically a party that offers just more of the same, boring, milquetoast, neoliberalism of the past few decades? **** that. I want more radical political parties in the mainstream that offer at least something of substance, something that's actually new and exciting, something that will upset the apple cart.
Exactly and me too. The reason we don’t have this, among other reasons is the illusion of choice presented by the monolithic labour and conservative parties which are both ‘neoliberal’ institutions.

A viable centrist party would attract all these types frommthe alleged left and right parties and will then be shown to be a failure- see France’s En Marche championed by George Osbourne and Tony Blair. If we had the same we could drain the parties if the Soubrys and Umunnas and have a wider degree of choice
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Creating a new political party wouldn't solve the dire problems this country now has.

Whatever primary parties are created would still be owned and controlled by the EU and the unseen rulers working in the shadows.

The problem the UK people have is not which party to elect.

The problem is the fake party political system itself.

It is there to create the ILLUSION of democracy when in fact no such democracy exists.

The fake system sees individual parties present all manner of BS manifestos and crud. Just look at Jezbollah Corbyn's appalling duping of the young votes promising to wipe their debts and give free tuition fees. Utterly appalling duplicity and outright abuse.

People voted Tony BLiar into No 10 in their droves. Very quickly they realised that what he said was not the same as what he did. He took us into illegal wars and with the hapless Gordon Brown following pretty much bankrupted the country and sold all our gold reserves off to foreign interests for an absolute pittance.

Since the 1970s fraudulent politicians and PM's have worked stealthily and silently to sell the UK down the river to a foreign power, namely the EU. EVERY Prime Minister along the way, whether Tory or Labour has simply furthered that EU agenda by drafting and pushing through each successive EU Treaty without ever giving the people of this country a vote on whether they actually want the sovereignty of their country abolished, their nationality abolished, their country assimilated into a huge collective run by an emerging totalitarian bunch of power mad megalomaniacs.

So, NO. Patently NO. Another political party rising from this whole mess would solve nothing. It would just see this whole corrupt Status Quo continue.

What is needed is a complete overhaul of the political system itself.

It needs a completely new and different approach.

It needs an approach where UK people get a referendum on ALL major issues that affect their lives.

The whole idea of just voting for a party, and then that party is just free to go and do whatever it wants must be abolished.

We HAVE to restore the British Constitution which these corrupt politicians have run roughshod over for years.

Our Declaration Of Rights specifically states that

"no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate hath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence, or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm"

That being the case how could we have ever been moved into the EU?

It is clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

That corruption needs to be redressed, the fraudulent actions of politicians working for the EU reversed and the country made sovereign once again and its constitution properly documented and enshrined in legislation, thereby ensuring this can never happen again.

Most people have I believe realised that the current Lib/Lab/Con political system is just a sham. A fake system that keeps the same establishment in power. Which ever party you voted for these past 40 years, you were simply voting for the EU.

It is time to change and put things right.

That can not happen by adding new political parties, that will change nothing.

It can only happen by changing the political system itself and restoring democracy to the UK.
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