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Original post by TommyAtkins
I chose engineering and plan to specialise in electronics, there's a lot of crossover. I looked at all the modules and decided engineering was the better fit for me. A big factor was looking at the graduate destinations. About 2 of the roles of the computer science graduates really appealed whereas many more did in engineering. I'd love to do computer science but if I didn't get a job on a product I was really excited in then I'd get frustrated. Best of luck.


Sounds very good. Personally I would say good luck to you. Engineering is fun but at the same time the job market is closing and a lot more are opening for computer science - it's the future. What made me decide was that the degree is far more applied to the current world than engineering degree at Durham. The engineering degree at Durham is very theoretical where you don't really get any practical application needed.
I agree that there are probably more programming jobs opening up but there are still engineering jobs available. Engineering is ranked at 5th in the country while computer science is 6th. It can't be too theoretical, looking at the graduate destinations, Jaguar Land Rover, BAE, Rolls Royce, to name a few. It was these what made me choose engineering, personally I need to really be behind the product and that seemed better for engineering, for me anyway.
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Original post by allofthestars
Sounds very good. Personally I would say good luck to you. Engineering is fun but at the same time the job market is closing and a lot more are opening for computer science - it's the future. What made me decide was that the degree is far more applied to the current world than engineering degree at Durham. The engineering degree at Durham is very theoretical where you don't really get any practical application needed.


Just be aware that CompSci at Durham is no more a "practical" course than Engineering - it's primarily academic.

And note the unemployment rate is higher for CompSci (15%) than Engineering (4%)

CompSci: https://unistats.ac.uk/Subjects/Overview/10007143FT-G406/ReturnTo/Compare-Courses
Engineering: https://unistats.ac.uk/Subjects/Overview/10007143FT-H100/ReturnTo/Compare-Courses
Original post by TommyAtkins
I agree that there are probably more programming jobs opening up but there are still engineering jobs available. Engineering is ranked at 5th in the country while computer science is 6th. It can't be too theoretical, looking at the graduate destinations, Jaguar Land Rover, BAE, Rolls Royce, to name a few. It was these what made me choose engineering, personally I need to really be behind the product and that seemed better for engineering, for me anyway.


Very true. What you also have to remember is that there isn't many general engineering courses in the UK. So whilst like say there's league tables for them they don't really show a 'good' course just if those courses were put together which one looks better. If you check out the kis ratings for the course - which personally I found a very good indicator of course quality the engineering course had a very low rating compared to 91% overall satisfied for computer science. The graduate destinations at rolls Royce and land rover etc are also all available and more to the comp sci students. With friends in both degrees at Durham I based my judgement upon which was taught better and also the graduate destinations. Last year there was a huge mess up with the electronics papers for engineering exams. Where they weren't even possible to answer.

It also depends on course taste. The gen eng course is based about constant theory and the whole year being decided upon exams in summer term. 80% theory 20% exam. Which personally I thought was a very stupid way to examine students (which showed as if you have an off day there are many students retaking exams the next year)

What I also found very questionable is that they speak a lot about design and manufacture yet really it plays a very small part of the course. You do the whole design tutorials/ work in a week - to get it over and done with so that the rest of your time is spent on constant theory.

There's barely any coursework so you spend your year learning things , then at the end of the year doing the exam (a lot like a level but just MORE)

So yeah, was a lot to think about for me. I noticed there's a lot of people transferring from eng to comp in the department after a year in to eng. I noticed a lot of eng grads moved into finance or buisness as having spoke to some found how theoretical the gen eng course was and wanted to get away from the boring stuff


League tables really aren't worth looking at. Comp sci at Durham is a VERY VERY competitive course and so is engineering but not so much. Smaller intake means greater competition. Which is shown in the grad positions.

Did you say you were doing a foundation?
Original post by Doonesbury
Just be aware that CompSci at Durham is no more a "practical" course than Engineering - it's primarily academic.

And note the unemployment rate is higher for CompSci (15%) than Engineering (4%)

CompSci: https://unistats.ac.uk/Subjects/Overview/10007143FT-G406/ReturnTo/Compare-Courses
Engineering: https://unistats.ac.uk/Subjects/Overview/10007143FT-H100/ReturnTo/Compare-Courses


I noticed but it's generally because alot of students try their own start ups after graduation putting them as self employed.

Also can I ask how you know it's not practical at Durham? From what I've noticed and from various friends there it's very applied work from the lectures you do. On engineering however the work you do is completely theoretically. You learn how to use cad in two weeks which is basically the department trying to get it out the window as soon as possible. Everything else is completely academic focused study. In comp sci you learn and also can take that further out of the lectures. You are given tasks to do outside involving real programming tasks unlike engineering where instead you are taught the ideas and told to revise them through project sheets.
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Original post by allofthestars
The graduate destinations at rolls Royce and land rover etc are also all available and more to the comp sci students.


Top Grad destinations for CompSci:
https://www.linkedin.com/school/durham-university/alumni/?facetFieldOfStudy=100189
Durham Uni
IBM
Scott Logic
BAE Systems

Top Grad Destinations for Engineering:
https://www.linkedin.com/school/durham-university/alumni/?facetFieldOfStudy=100331
Durham Uni
Rolls Royce
Jaguar LandRover
Atkins

Original post by allofthestars
I noticed but it's generally because alot of students try their own start ups after graduation putting them as self employed.


Self-employed isn't counted in "unemployed".
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Original post by Doonesbury
Top Grad destinations for CompSci:
https://www.linkedin.com/school/durham-university/alumni/?facetFieldOfStudy=100189
Durham Uni
IBM
Scott Logic
BAE Systems

Top Grad Destinations for Engineering:
https://www.linkedin.com/school/durham-university/alumni/?facetFieldOfStudy=100331
Durham Uni
Rolls Royce
Jaguar LandRover
Atkins



Self-employed isn't counted in "unemployed".


Hmm that's weird. My two closest friends just done comp sci at Durham and now going into rolls Royce and jaguar after their degrees! :smile:
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Original post by allofthestars
Hmm that's weird. My two closest friends just done comp sci at Durham and now going into rolls Royce and jaguar after their degrees! :smile:


Yes why not. I'm just pointing out that more have done that via Engineering than CompSci.

Indeed many engineers go into computing roles... There's huge crossover between these degrees, but if someone wants to be an engineer doing an Engineering degree is probably a better route.

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Original post by TommyAtkins
I agree that there are probably more programming jobs opening up but there are still engineering jobs available. Engineering is ranked at 5th in the country while computer science is 6th. It can't be too theoretical, looking at the graduate destinations, Jaguar Land Rover, BAE, Rolls Royce, to name a few. It was these what made me choose engineering, personally I need to really be behind the product and that seemed better for engineering, for me anyway.


The whole degree is based on your end of year exams. You learn theory throughout the year, Then towards June it's just hard-core revision for the exams like a levels on steroids. I think it's 85% exam 15% coursework which is the design project you do in like two weeks. The comp sci is more 50/50. With exams throughout the year rather than a big one at the end.

The graduate destinations are grad programmes through the university. These programmes are where you really become an engineer as you learn the hands on skills needed after degree that you don't learn at all in the degree. A lot of people do societies that the department has to supliment people.

Do check out the kis ratings for engineering BEng rather than Meng.
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Original post by allofthestars
The whole degree is based on your end of year exams. You learn theory throughout the year, Then towards June it's just hard-core revision for the exams like a levels on steroids. I think it's 85% exam 15% coursework which is the design project you do in like two weeks. The comp sci is more 50/50. With exams throughout the year rather than a big one at the end.

The graduate destinations are grad programmes through the university. These programmes are where you really become an engineer as you learn the hands on skills needed after degree that you don't learn at all in the degree. A lot of people do societies that the department has to supliment people.

Do check out the kis ratings for engineering BEng rather than Meng.


Most Engineers do the MEng.

Even if you only have 50% exams you still need to pass them to pass the module.

And it's about 60% exam for Engineering
https://www.whatuni.com/degrees/general-engineering-meng-hons/durham-university/cd/54978312/5520/

Edit: also are you sure CS exams are "throughout the year"? It looks like they are in May/June, same as most other courses.

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Original post by Doonesbury
Most Engineers do the MEng.

Even if you only have 50% exams you still need to pass them to pass the module.

And it's about 60% exam for Engineering
https://www.whatuni.com/degrees/general-engineering-meng-hons/durham-university/cd/54978312/5520/

Edit: also are you sure CS exams are "throughout the year"? It looks like they are in May/June, same as most other courses.

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Not exactly, many people opt for both beng and meng. In the department they treat both the same as the change between them is so easy. At leeds they just promote the meng now and anyone wanting to do beng just goes onto the beng when they start. Honestly I question those stats. I live very close to Durham and have the department word, know both the department leaders that it's pretty much 80% exam and 20% coursework. Like my close friend doing the course can tell you for himself if you want me to get him on tsr? But basically he told me how you do all the content throughout the year, a week or two in November to learn all the design stuff to then let it tick over throughout the year. The comp sci does have exams in jan.
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Original post by allofthestars
Not exactly, many people opt for both beng and meng. In the department they treat both the same as the change between them is so easy. At leeds they just promote the meng now and anyone wanting to do beng just goes onto the beng when they start.


I know the change is easy, and at most universities most stay for the MEng. Maybe Durham is different... :dontknow: If someone wants to be an engineer then the MEng is usually the better route.

Honestly I question those stats. I live very close to Durham and have the department word, know both the department leaders that it's pretty much 80% exam and 20% coursework. Like my close friend doing the course can tell you for himself if you want me to get him on tsr? But basically he told me how you do all the content throughout the year, a week or two in November to learn all the design stuff to then let it tick over throughout the year. The comp sci does have exams in jan.


@TommyAtkins needs to visit the university and make their own mind up. They have until next January to apply. There's no rush.

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