“Oxbridge Rejects” Mentality(?)

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Quoted from Quora: “Yes we were rejects by Oxbridge, but to a large degree by choice.
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Is it a fact that no one had actually believed that uni XYZ is better than Oxford/Cambridge before they got their rejection letter from either Oxford/Cambridge?

Hmmm.. 🤔
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Quoted from Quora: “Yes we were rejects by Oxbridge, but to a large degree by choice.
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Is it a fact that no one had actually believed that uni XYZ is better than Oxford/Cambridge before they got their rejection letter from either Oxford/Cambridge?

Hmmm.. 🤔
of course no one had believed that university XYZ was better than Oxbridge before they got rejected and they still dont. However as an Oxbridge reject myself, I think that after being rejected, the perceived gap between Oxbridge and my second choice university has became smaller.
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of course no one had believed that university XYZ was better than Oxbridge before they got rejected and they still dont. However as an Oxbridge reject myself, I think that after being rejected, the perceived gap between Oxbridge and my second choice university has became smaller.
”Parents and pupils do tend to see those universities — after all, they have their own term, Oxbridge — as being apart, in a league of their own. I think that can be very harmful to young people’s self-perceptions and to parents’ aspirations.”

Just as the 11-plus divided people into sheep and goats, anything that makes people at 18 think they are sheep and goats is bad or must be in danger of being bad.

— Telegraph.co.uk

The fact that UK has only developed the brand of Oxford and Cambridge internationally, (and imho) none of other top universities like LSE/Imperial doesn’t help at all. Tbh, Imperial is one of the worst case/proof of a marketing failure.. Literally, there are only a small cohort of people in other continents who are aware that Imperial does exist as a top uni and so far I haven’t seen any improvements done by the departments.

I mean, if we talk about our neighbour.. they have Harvard, MIT, Standford, Caltech, UC Berkeley, University of Chicago, Yale, Columbia, UPenn, which are very well-known globally, under their belt.
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”Parents and pupils do tend to see those universities — after all, they have their own term, Oxbridge — as being apart, in a league of their own. I think that can be very harmful to young people’s self-perceptions and to parents’ aspirations.”

Just as the 11-plus divided people into sheep and goats, anything that makes people at 18 think they are sheep and goats is bad or must be in danger of being bad.

— Telegraph.co.uk

The fact that UK has only developed the brand of Oxford and Cambridge internationally, (and imo) none of other top universities like LSE/Imperial doesn’t help at all. Tbh, Imperial is one of the worst case/proof of a marketing failure.. Literally, there are only few people in other continents who are aware that Imperial does exist as a top uni and so far I haven’t seen any improvements done by the departments.

I mean, if we talk about our neighbour.. they have Harvard, MIT, Standford, Caltech, UC Berkeley, University of Chicago, Yale, Columbia, UPenn, which are very well-known globally, under their belt.
So what you are saying is that universities should become more if a brand rather than a place of education?

Who cares if America has more well known universities than the UK, that's thanks to Hollywood tbh.


And going to Oxbridge doesn't guarantee success, not everyone who leaves Oxbridge goes on to become famous or a multi-millionaire

American universities are overrated in my opinion, you really have to do postgraduates over their to secure a job in a field that requires technical knowledge because of their liberal arts nonsense.
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So what you are saying is that universities should become more if a brand rather than a place of education?
Not quite. Keep in mind that having a highly-reputed brand doesn’t mean the omission of the good quality of education and vice versa.
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Oxbridge means nothing you could leave with a degree from there and still end up as a cleaner LOL
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Not quite. Keep in mind that having a highly-reputed brand doesn’t mean the omission of the good quality of education and vice versa.
But you do agree that providing a solid education should be the number one priority for universities?

I agree that creating a good brand does attract more of the best and brightest as is the case with Oxbridge but to say that other universities do not have intelligent people in them is ludicrous.
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Oxbridge means nothing you could leave with a degree from there and still end up as a cleaner LOL
it’s kinda true, but everybody can tell how naive your statement is.
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Also what exactly are you asking j. your original post?
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Maybe they mean that when they went for interview they realised it wasn't for them and self-sabotaged.
Oxbridge have a great reputation but that environment just isn't right for some people.
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it’s kinda true, but everybody can tell how naive your statement is.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...bs-market.html


This article says it all really.

Somebody from a polytechnic would be more employable if they have done internships/ work experience compared to somebody who just has gone to Oxford and got a degree.

How is it naive?
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I mean, if we talk about our neighbour.. they have Harvard, MIT, Standford, Caltech, UC Berkeley, University of Chicago, Yale, Columbia, UPenn, which are very well-known globally, under their belt.
True, but they are, you know, The United States of America. I think it's better to compare our universities with those of our equals - how many top universities in France can you name, for instance?
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But you do agree that providing a solid education should be the number one priority for universities?
This is something we agreed on.

(Original post by e^iπ)
Also what exactly are you asking j. your original post?
Why still let young people believe that Oxbridge is in a league of their own, (if u can actually try to develop other top London unis’ brands, so that their perceptions may change)? read again the goat/sheep analogy.
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True, but they are, you know, The United States of America. I think it's better to compare our universities with those of our equals - how many top universities in France can you name, for instance?
Dude, the fact that they’re not in the top 10 or 20 of the global rankings (QS/Times) can support my lack of acknowledgement on them. Compare it to Imperial, it’s there at the 8th place internationally, seems like no one in other continents know that it exists (it’s a hyperbole, ofc).
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...bs-market.html


This article says it all really.

Somebody from a polytechnic would be more employable if they have done internships/ work experience compared to somebody who just has gone to Oxford and got a degree.

How is it naive?
The study provides a snapshot of the desperate employment market and shows that while many secured jobs as doctors, bankers or management consultants, others are struggling to get their foot on the career ladder.

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Why still let young people believe that Oxbridge is in a league of their own, (if u can actually try to develop other top London unis’ brands, so that their perceptions change)?
Many of the people who hype up Oxbridge have actually never been to Oxbridge themselves. I recently spoke to someone who graduated from Cambridge and he said that yes, for the first year it was magical and it felt like he was somewhere special bit after that it just became another university but with weird traditions stemming back centuries (the history is also a big pull for a lot of people).and that after graduating he didn't feel as though the Cambridge brand name would get him very far in itself.

But yes I do agree with you that after being rejected, it is very frustrating to see future Oxbridge applicants on TSR regard it as the promised land possibly due to the embarrassment of knowing I was like that just a few months ago, and also in more general when I hear not so informed people saying things like "if you go to Cambridge... You are going to come out a millionaire" and other stuff like that.
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(Original post by Çharmander)
Dude, the fact that they’re not in the top 10 or 20 of the global rankings (QS/Times) can support my lack of acknowledgement on them. Compare it to Imperial, it’s there at the 8th place internationally, seems like no one in other continents know that it exists (it’s a hyperbole, ofc).
just like pretty much all of the others that aren't ivy league/oxbridge. they're probably the only universities in the world with such international repute. i don't see what point you're trying to make.
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True, but they are, you know, The United States of America. I think it's better to compare our universities with those of our equals - how many top universities in France can you name, for instance?
France has a very specific system whereby they have very small elite institutions that specialise in teaching specific subjects (e.g. Business schools, engineering schools, research-oriented schools for the Humanities). That is why no single French institution has the same brand-name as Oxford or Cambridge internationally - they're just too small in comparison.

This doesn't mean they are not top institutions for Higher Education, just that they do not follow the standard Anglo-American model of how a university should be structured. The success rate for applying to the French Ecoles Normales Supérieures is much lower than Oxbridge and you need to do two years of preparatory study after high school just to apply.

Having studied at Oxford and taught at one of these French institutions, I can say that the level of student is generally higher at the French institution (It's like Oxford if they got rid of anyone who didn't get a high 2.i/1st in the first two years).

Oxford and Cambridge are excellent universities, perhaps the best in the UK, but there are equally institutions which are just as rigorous or more so across the world. No point getting all worked up about prestige (and it's normally people who haven't been to either institution who do).
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Dude, the fact that they’re not in the top 10 or 20 of the global rankings (QS/Times) can support my lack of acknowledgement on them. Compare it to Imperial, it’s there at the 8th place internationally, seems like no one in other continents know that it exists (it’s a hyperbole, ofc).
That's less to do with academic ranking and more to do with "cultural ranking". I think that you would agree with me that American culture is quite pervasive around the world and moreso in the UK, hence why we British look-up to the Americans. I doubt many American hold Oxbridge to such a high respect as we British do.
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